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Old 03-30-2006, 07:28 PM   #1
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Ive always tried to stay away from orals, in the attempt to spare my liver, instead using deca and test en (although I did do one cycle stacked with dbol) but Im curious of what kind of resultshave been sen with anavar. Ive heard it is very safe and barely affects natural test at all, and doesnt even require pct! The gains Ive heard about have ranged from little to significant, and im wondering if anyone here has used it? how can a legit oral steroid notrequire pct, when superdrol does?! please give me some insight!
 
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Old 03-30-2006, 08:41 PM   #2
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From what I know anavar by itself does not require PCT. Anavar isnt really a bulking drug though. You may experience a little as far as gains but they will be solid, meaning you will keep them. Anavar is known more for its fat loss than anything else. Once again, if you cycle anavar it is normal to keep your fatloss while off cycle too. And yes, it is quite mild on your liver.
 
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:21 PM   #3
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I had very impressive strength gains with var. Size subsiquetly incereased. Increased hardness was seen. I used 40-55mg ED

Use liv-52 or milk thistle or both why on orals. It will protect your liver.

At an effective dose it's effects on your test levels and HPTA function are simple. It shuts you down. Wiothout test in the mix you may even have some erectile disfunction.

It does require PCT. Same as any other steroid.

THe myth about lower or no shutdown from anavar comes fomr it's use in bridgeing wherein you would use less than 25% of the minimum effective dose and do PCT at the same time. Ity allows for some recevery of the HPTA but also allows you to stay on which becomes a neccessity if you are beyond your genetic limit.
 
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:28 PM   #4
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All of what diesel posted above is untrue.

Anavar by itself requires PCT. At an effective dse it actually can require hcg while on.

It is a great bulking steroid. It is also a great cuttting steroid.

The gains will be solid, not meaning you will keep them but meaning that since it is a derivitive of DHT it doesn't aromitize. THis means no water retention. YOu can keep your gains off any steroid. YOu can't keep the water gains and some steroids cause alot of it.

Anavar is not known for it's fat loss. NO steroid in itse;f causes fat loss. THis is accomplished oin one of two way. ONe, steroids increase the devolopment of lean muscle mass. Increase youer lean muscle mass and you will inherently burn more claories just to exist. Two, you cut while on steroids and you lose fat but the steroids keep you from losing muscle. THis misunderstanding causes many people to use the very poor term "cutting steroids" all too frequently.

Last Anavar's liver toxicity is not low. It's liver toxicity is dose dependant. Remember it is a 17AA alkilated steroid. Same as all othewr orals which exeption to primo oral.
 
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Old 03-31-2006, 06:56 PM   #5
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All of what diesel posted above is untrue.
shit...the person that told me this has been there done that
 
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Old 03-31-2006, 07:22 PM   #6
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shit...the person that told me this has been there done that
I've been told that var is low toxicity too, by people who swear by it. But I think its low toxicity in relation to other orals, not in relation to injectables. All orals are 17 alpha alkylated and make an extra pass through the liver compared to injectables.

It doesn't seem to aromatize very easily compared to other steroids, but it will still suppress your own production and fuck up your hormone balance post-cycle, so you still need pct to get your own LH and FSH levels back up.

I'm just starting my research as I need to rehab a few injuries before I start my first cycle, so maybe someone else can explain the science a little better than I can.
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Old 03-31-2006, 07:26 PM   #7
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Well, at least you said it in the 2nd person tense. I've used var paersonally and know others that have as well. I've researched it alot on top of that. My gf has used it etc.

There are aolt of people that use or have used steroids but have no clue. The worst offenders tend to be the guys who sell them. I see this all too frequently. I take advise losley and then try to back it up with factaul evidence, then with peoples individual experiencdea dn then I'll test it on myself.
 
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Old 04-07-2006, 11:51 PM   #8
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Did you split your dosages throughout the day or take all at once? A.M. or P.M.? It seems like splitting the dosage would be best, since var has about a 9 hour half-life, but I've been told that the bigger blood spike of taking it once a day creates more anabolism/greater gains. What's your experience?
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Old 04-09-2006, 01:06 PM   #9
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This is all you need to know about Anavar (which is actually called Oxandrolone): (Courtesy of EuroBolics)

The compound with the generic name Oxandrolone SPA by S.p.A. Milano Company (Societa Produtti Antibiotica) from Italy is the only original anabolic steroid available in Europe which contains the substance Oxandrolone. There are 30 tablets in one box with one push-through strip of 30 tablets. Oxandrolone is a weak steroid with only a slight androgenic component. It has been shown that Oxandrolone, when taken in reasonable dosages, rarely has any side effects. This is appreciated since Oxandrolone was developed mostly for women and children. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids which does not cause an early stunting of growth in cluildren since it does not prematurely close the epiphysial growth plates. For this reason Oxandrolone is mostly used in children to stimulate growth and in women to prevent osteoporosis. Oxandrolone causes very light virilization symptoms, if at all. This characteristic makes Oxandrolone a favored remedy for female athletes since, at a daily dose of 10-15 mg, masculinizing symptoms are observed only rarely.

Bodybuilders and powerlifters, in particular, like Oxandrolone for three reasons. First, Oxandrolone causes a strong strength gain by stimulating the phosphocreatine synthesis in the muscle cell without depositing liquid (water) in the joints and the muscles. Powerlifters and weightlifters who do not want to end up in a higher weight class take advantage of this since it allows them to get stronger without gaining body weight at the same time. The combination of Oxandrolone and 20 - 30 mg Holotestin daily has proven to be very effective since the muscles also look harder. Similarly good results can be achieved by a simultaneous intake of Oxandrolone and 120-140 mcg Clenbuterol per day. Although Oxandrolone itself does not cause a noticeable muscle growth it can clearly improve the muscle-developing effect of many steroids. Deca Durabolin, Dianabol (D-Bol), and the various testosterone compounds, in particular, combine well with Oxandrolone to achieve a "mass buildup" because the strength gain caused by the intake of these highly tissue-developing and liquid-retaining substances results in an additional muscle mass. A stack of 200 mg Deca Durabolin/week, 500 mg Testoviron Depot (e.g. Testoviron Ethanate 250)/week, and 25 mg Oxandrolone/day leads to a good gain in strength and mass in most athletes. Deca Durabolin has a distinct anabolic effect and stimulates the synthesis of protein; Oxandrolone improves the strength by a higher phosphocreatine synthesis; and Testoviron Depot inereases the aggressiveness for the workout and accelerates regeneration.

The second reason why Oxandrolone is so popular is that this compound does not aromatize in any dosage. As already mentioned, a certain part of the testosterone present in the body is converted into estrogen. This aromatization process, depending on the predisposition, can vary distinctly from the athlete to another. Oxandrolone is one of the few steroids which cannot aromatize to estrogen. This characteristic has various advantages for the athlete. With Oxandrolone the muscle system does not get the typical watery appearance as with many steroids, thus making it very interesting during the preparation for a competition. In this phase it is especially important to keep the estrogen level as low as possible since estrogen programs the body to store water even if the diet is calorie-reduced. In combination with a diet, Oxandrolone helps to make the muscles hard and ripped. Although Oxandrolone itself does not break down fat, it plays an indirect role in this process because the substance often suppresses the athletes appetite. Oxandrolone can also cause some bloating which in several athletes results in nausea and vomiting when the tablets are taken with meals. The package insert of the Italian Oxandrolone notes its effect on the activity of the gastrointestinal tract. Some athletes thus report continued diarrhea. Although these symptoms are not very pleasant they still help the athlete break down fat and become harder. Those who work out for a competition or are interested in gaining quality muscles should combine Oxandrolone with steroids such as Winstrol, Parabolan, Masteron, Primobolan Depot, and Testosterone propionate. A stack of 50 mg Winstrol every two days, 5O mg Testosterone propionate every two days, and 25 mg Oxandrolone every day has proven effective. Another advantage of Oxandrolone s nonaromatization is that athletes who suffer from high blood pressure or develop gynecomastia of the thymus glands when taking stronger androgenic steroids will not have these side effects with a this compound. The Oxandrolone/Deca Durabolin stack is a welcome alternative for this group of athletes or for athletes showing signs of poor health during mass buildup with testosterone, Dianabol (D-Bol), or Anadrol. Athletes over forty should predominantly use Oxandrolone.

The third reason which speaks well for an intake of Oxandrolone is that even in a very high dosage this compound does not influence the bodies own testosterone production. To make this clear: Oxandrolone does not suppress the bodys own hormone production. The reason is that it does not have a negative feedback mechanism on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis, meaning that during the intake of Oxandrolone, unlike during the intake of most anabolic steroids, the testes signal the hypothalamus not to reduce or to stop the release of GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) and LHRH (luteinizing hormon releasing hormone). This special feature of Oxandrolone can be explained by the fact that the substance is not converted into.

For this reason Oxandrolone combines very well with Anadrol, since Andriol does not aromatize in a dosage of up to 240 mg daily and has only slight influence on the hormone production. The daily intake of 280 mg Anadrol and 25 mg Oxandrolone results in a good gain in strength and, in steroid novices, also in muscle mass without excessive water retention and without significant influence on testosterone production. As for the dosage of Oxandrolone, 8-12 tablets in men and 5-6 tablets in women seems to bring the best results. The rule of thumb to take 0.125 mg/pound of body weight daily has proven successful in clinical tests. The tablets are normally taken two to three times daily after meals thus assuring an optimal absorption of the substance. Those who get the already discussed gastrointestinal pain when taking Oxandrolone are better off taking the tablets one to two hours after a meal or switching to another compound.

Since Oxandrolone is only slightly toxic and usually shows few side effects it is used by several athletes over a prolonged period of time. However Oxandrolone should not be taken for several consecutive months, since, as with almost all oral steroids it is 17-alpha alkylated and thus liver toxic. Oxandrolone is an all purpose remedy which, depending on the athletes goal, is very versatile. Women who react sensitively to the intake of anabolic steroids achieve good results when combining Oxandrolone/Primobolan Tabs and/or Clenbuterol, without suffering from the usual virilization symptoms. Women, however should not take more than 6 tablets daily. Otherwise, androgenic-caused side effects such as acne, anavar, oxandrolone deep voice, clitorial hypertrophy or increased growth of body hair can occur.
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Old 04-09-2006, 01:21 PM   #10
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var is rather mild compared to other 17aa..
i have no problem running var for exended periods which i wouldnt do with some of the others..ive ran var 12+ weeks..but thats me
 
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Old 04-09-2006, 09:20 PM   #11
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anavar does require pct

usual dose around 60mg per day, 6 wk cycle

but can be ran at up to 100mg per day
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Old 04-09-2006, 10:09 PM   #12
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30mg in the morning and 30mg at night, or 60 at once? Does it matter?
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Old 04-10-2006, 12:49 AM   #13
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