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Old 03-22-2006, 05:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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can you take any steroids that wont show up on a piss test for the military
 



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Old 03-22-2006, 05:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Try the STEROIDS section

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Old 03-22-2006, 08:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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In my country they only test for drugs like cocaine, meth and so on.
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Old 03-22-2006, 09:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You can only get caught IF you are piss tested for Roids. If they are just drug testing you they can only get weed/yayo/meth..etc.. You have to get a seperate roids test for them to catch you. Talk to your unit SACO, if your cool with him. Hey MAY key you in on what gear they can and can't catch. It's easy to get caught man, your peers and your seniors see you everyday and if they see you getting huge all of a sudden they can request a piss test. So be smart about it.
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Old 03-22-2006, 11:40 AM   #5 (permalink)
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they can't test for hgh, but most can't afford it
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 05:32 AM   #6 (permalink)
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If so David Henery is in a world of trouble - shyt the military doesn't give a shyt about people accually using gear - only folks selling it.
 
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:05 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I will say that they cant just test you unless they are sure your on gear.

But like Zombie said they see you everyday and if your staying in a open squad bay truat me they will notice a change in your body.

when i was in i gained about 20 pounds in a 4 month period. I didnt juice i just had a ass load of cash from my tax return and bought a assload of supps. any way I almost got tested so u should be careful
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Old 08-14-2006, 10:01 AM   #8 (permalink)
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They don't have to test for a particular one if they test your test levels...But that isn't something they test for on their random piss test. You will also know if you're bieng tested for something other than random.
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Old 08-24-2006, 12:28 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Ditto on David Henry, ask him he's an Air Force guy. Man what the hell everyone knows the steroid shyt is hypocritical- Mr.O is a COP!!
 
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Ditto on David Henry, ask him he's an Air Force guy. Man what the hell everyone knows the steroid shyt is hypocritical- Mr.O is a COP!!
it's the air force...what did you expect?
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Old 08-24-2006, 05:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I know in the canadian military the don't.
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Well I've been around 20+ and I've seen a lot of Steroid busts, so I would use extreme caution. Suspision is all it takes, when I was new in the military I found myself being questioned by OSI numerous times concerning steroids. Of course I had never taken any but there was a ring of folks around me that were, and I got caught up in the investigation. The biggest concern to me would not be piss or blood tests, but search and seizure! If you have gear you are at risk of being caught so think long and hard before choosing your path. And if you go the way of the Dark one, use extreme caution and for goodness sakes keep your trap shut! (that's what gets most people caught)
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Old 08-24-2006, 11:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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So far this year I have put on 22lbs. The only thing that I have done is eat a ton and have a good supplement system(NO-EXPLODE,CELLMASS,AND NITRIX)
I just got wind the other day that my comand wants to test me and my partner. So as foe gear I don't recomend it while your in. Just bust your ass in the GYM and pound chow!!!

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Old 08-28-2006, 03:33 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Well I've been around 20+ and I've seen a lot of Steroid busts, so I would use extreme caution. Suspision is all it takes, when I was new in the military I found myself being questioned by OSI numerous times concerning steroids. Of course I had never taken any but there was a ring of folks around me that were, and I got caught up in the investigation. The biggest concern to me would not be piss or blood tests, but search and seizure! If you have gear you are at risk of being caught so think long and hard before choosing your path. And if you go the way of the Dark one, use extreme caution and for goodness sakes keep your trap shut! (that's what gets most people caught)
So in your opinion, how do guys like D Henery get away with it, is it just over looked in his case since he's a pro?
 
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Old 08-28-2006, 05:17 AM   #15 (permalink)
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So in your opinion, how do guys like D Henery get away with it, is it just over looked in his case since he's a pro?
I've seen a lot of people get away with it also! In the end it's been about 70/30 for those that I know for a fact were hittin the sauce, about 70% have gone bye bye and the other 30% have come out clean. It's a little more risky if your in the military and the payment is higher if you get caught that's all I'm saying. Everyone has free will and can choose what they want to do, I'm just letting you know what I've seen the past 20 years.
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Old 09-05-2006, 10:18 PM   #16 (permalink)
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There have been a lot of threads in regards to the military and drug testing. Some of the questions included what do they normally screen for, what are the cutoffs that will make you pop, and do they screen for AS.

As a former Substance Abuse Control Officer(SACO) for my unit please allow me to shed some light on this issue. But before I start, I must state, in no uncertain terms, that I do not condone the use of ANY illegal substance. I just feel its important to provide you all with the accurate information.

1. In the Navy/Marine Corps, the unit is required to randomly test 10% of its people per month. The people selected for these test are selected completely randomly via the units roster imputed into a computer program.

2. These random tests screen for the following drugs. On this list you will also find the concentrations in your blood that will make you pop.

Rpt Abbreviation Drug Cutoff Value
THC THC 15 ng/ml
COC COCAINE 100 ng/ml
PCP PCP 25 ng/ml
COD CODEINE 2000 ng/ml
MOR MORPHINE 4000 ng/ml
6AM HEROIN 10 ng/ml
LSD 2-OXO-3-HYDROXY-LSD 1000 pg/ml
LSD LSD 200 pg/ml
MDMA MDMA 500 ng/ml
MDA MDA 500 ng/ml
MDEA MDEA 500 ng/ml
OXCOD OXYCODONE 100 ng/ml
OXMOR OXYMORPHONE 100 ng/ml
DMETH D-METHAMPHETAMINE 100 ng/ml
DAMP D-AMPHETAMINE 100 ng/ml

3. What happens if someone pops? Once the SACO receives the report from the drug screening lab that someone has popped positive, that member will be recommended for an administrative separation unless that member was prescribed a medication that falls in line with the substance that they popped for.

4. What are the chances for a false positive? The drug screening labs have some high speed gear. If any sample comes back positive,, they immediately test it again. They routinely quality check their test equipment by having shop supervisors randomly sending batches of samples through with known positive samples. The testers do not know when this occurs. So to sum it up, the chances are slim to none that when a SACO gets a report that a sample is positive for drugs, that it is incorrect.

5. Now to the AS issue. If you reference the list above, you will not find a single listing for any kind of AS/PH. Thats because the facilities that the Navy/Marine Corps use, which are located in J'Ville FL, and San Diego, CA, can not screen for AS/PH. They just dont have the equipment. The Navy/Marine Corps has to send samples for steroid testing to Dr. Caitlin's lab at UCLA. The most recent price for this test was $250.00.

6. So how does the military actually test for steroids then? Well this is kind of a nebulous issue. First, you have to be suspected of use and the command then has to have probable cause to ask you for a sample. Now comes the question, well how in the heck does the command get probable cause. Like I said, its a nebulous issue. Anyone reading these threads knows the sides associated with using AS/PH's and which ones can become apparent to your co-workers.
If your command thinks it has probable cause, they will probably already have consulted with base legal, they will ask you to consent to providing a sample. They are going to ask you this because it eliminates the need to prove probable cause. If you do not consent, the commanding officer will then order you to provide a sample. There is a difference here. Personally, I dont think I would ever consent to any kind of test. Whether I was using or not. This comes down to privacy issue for me. Besides, if you consent and you pop, you can be recommended for court martial. If it is a command directed test, and you pop, they can only administratively separate you. Reason being, a positive result obtained from a command directed urinalysis, without satisfying probable cause, is not admissible in court.

7. So then you ask, what AS/PH can they test for and how long do they stay in your system? This question I cant definitively answer. I think that you could probably find the answer to this on this board someplace or on the net. Just be advised, I would suspect that any answer you find will be a best guess. I have talked to the drug demand reduction coordinator for my base, and was sitting in his office when he called the UCLA lab. The UCLA lab would not go into specifics as to screening process and detection times.

8. So you are asking, what does this mean for me? In a nutshell, dont do drugs. Plain and simple. If you are using dope or AS/PH, and in the military, you are playing with fire.

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Old 09-06-2006, 02:07 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Most military busts are from possession or sale of, I've seen guys get busted for mailing the junk back to the US(fed offense now). Testing is always a possibility buy normally folks are just stupid and get caught the easy way, first hand witnesses. Not to many drugs, including AAS pass through a base or post without OSI or other angencies knowing about it, at least not in large quantities. This is why when there is a Steroid bust or any other kind of bust is usually a large number of people.
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wouldent the army want stronger, faster, and more combat pressure ressiliant soldiers to be on the battle front?
 
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wouldent the army want stronger, faster, and more combat pressure ressiliant soldiers to be on the battle front?
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k so being a Universal Soldier or a Terminator is out of the question...
 
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Old 09-06-2006, 10:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I used to be in the Army and from my personal expeience I wouldn't chance it. Especially if you are planning on making the military a career.
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They Normally dont test for it, but if they think your on something they will test for it. However they have known to just up and test for everything.
 
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They Normally dont test for it, but if they think your on something they will test for it. However they have known to just up and test for everything.

This is not accurate. All steroid tests must be shipped to UCLA. The only tests that UCLA administers is for performance enhancing drugs, specifically steroids. Random and unit sweep urinalysis are shipped to Naval Drug Screening Labs. These labs are only equipped to test for the drugs that are listed in my previous post. So to say that they can "just up and test for everything" is completely false.

Like I said before, if an individual is being tested for steroids, it is because the command believes that the individual has been using steroids. They will either ask you to consent to provide a sample, or it will be a command directed urinalysis.

Please do not misinterpret this post and think that you will never be tested for steroids. If a command believes you are using gear, they can and will order you to provide a sample.
 
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Like I said before, if an individual is being tested for steroids, it is because the command believes that the individual has been using steroids. They will either ask you to consent to provide a sample, or it will be a command directed urinalysis.
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They will up and test for everything at this command they just held at command sweep and they stated that everything was going to be tested. Now is that because they suspect someone for taking roids? I dont know. After reading your post I consulted with our Cord and he stated that what you said was true however they have sent some "specified batches" to the Center for all testing, and if those results are shown to have the chemical in them further testing will be done. Bottom line is if your going to do anything in the Military then you need to consult with the cordinator to find out what you can take and what you cant take.
 
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I guess the navy runs things different but in the Army and in the Civ sector of the Gov't you can not be tested for anything other than random tests or you must be given certain rights and they have to tell you when you mark your urine the tests being conducted. They can't just up and decide to do extra tests on something before letting that soldier know. It sorta breaks the law.
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2. dont workout for a few days and just pig as much as possible.
3. take some creatine, i gained over 40lbs from creatine *dam it

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They will up and test for everything at this command they just held at command sweep and they stated that everything was going to be tested. Now is that because they suspect someone for taking roids? I dont know. After reading your post I consulted with our Cord and he stated that what you said was true however they have sent some "specified batches" to the Center for all testing, and if those results are shown to have the chemical in them further testing will be done. Bottom line is if your going to do anything in the Military then you need to consult with the cordinator to find out what you can take and what you cant take.
While the commander can do a full command directed test on everyone, he can not pick choose samples for further testing, so if the commander wanted to test for steroids it would make more sense to pick the few and command direct testing on those few. Otherwise it sounds like your getting scare tactics thrown at you.
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Just a few more things on this topic.

1. A unit sweep is a different testing premiss than a command directed test. The difference is subtle but it is an important one. Like I said in my first post, results obtained from a command directed test are not admissible in a court martial since they werent obtained by consent or with probable cause.

2. Theoretically, a unit commander could tell the SACO that he wants to do a random or unit sweep and he wants the samples sent to UCLA to be tested for steroids. However, these tests cost about $250 per sample. These funds come from the base Drug Demand Reduction Coordinator and will in all probability deny this request. So I will stand by my original statement that if you are being tested for steroids, you will know that you are being tested for steroids and the command will ask you to consent to this test.

3. If you are providing a sample during a unit sweep or a random, this test is for rec drugs that were listed in my first post. Again, it is theoretically possible that a unit could have requested a random test for steroids, but the odds for this happening are so astronomical it almost isnt even worth mentioning. Just to amplify this point, a random steroid test has never happened in the Marine Corps.

4. Now lets talk about the bigger picture here. For all of us that are currently in the armed forces, we have all taken an oath that we will protect and defend the constitution of these United States and follow those orders that may be given by officers appointed above us. This includes orders that we may think are complete BS, such as steroid laws. Whether we agree with it or not, we still have an obligation to follow those orders. So as long as we are upholding or end of the bargain, this discussion seems to be rather irrelevant.

So if you are wanting to take a supplement and you arent sure whether its kosher or not, ask your SACO or if your not comfortable asking him/her please dont hesitate to ask me. A good rule of thumb would be using the FDA banned list or the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) list.

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BAso is right. I have been in the military for a long time now, and I know many people who are on gear. Those people get tested periodicly and nothing. The test for gear is a different test and must be requested. I can def tell you that in no way would a commander request a full unit be tested for gear. That would be dissapproved from the start.

Even though they say they are testing for everything thing they mean the norm (norm being your popular abused drugs)

But if you get huge and people notice you are more likely to get popped. But in no way will a random test show up positive for gear. If you are in the military you have access to your drug testing regulations. Read them.

Scare tactics are stupid, and being in the military you should be able to tell when they are puling it. The funny thing about the military is every thing about it is written in some regulation some where. The beauty of it is they can not just make the rules as they go along. I recomend you do some research in to your job first.
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Old 05-22-2007, 06:28 AM   #30 (permalink)
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hey currently i have a urine test and i pass
just to let u know
a bloody roid test is us$250
who is crazy enough to check it.
random i may believe
but to test for roid is not by pissing
but by blood test




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