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Old 03-14-2006, 10:46 AM   #1
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Can anyone give a good stack combination?

I'm planning on doing 2 this year (april and september)
I've done 6 or 7 stacks in 8 years.

I'm 6ft1 (1m88) weighing about 220 pound, arms are 17,7inch, bodyfat around 15/16% (to high I know).
I got one other problem, the fat is mostly concentrated around the belly. I want to get it flat (abs can come later) The rest of my body is Ok, just the belly.

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Old 03-14-2006, 12:06 PM   #2
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First of all, how did you go from 6'2" and 205 pounds 6 days ago to 6'1" and 220 pounds today...

Secondly, based off of your stats I can assure you that something is SERIOUSLY wrong with your diet and training so you DO NOT need to be taking any "stacks" right now. Fix the basics and maximize what is left of your natural potential before you proceed....

Finally, I am sure that you will get plenty of advice on "stacks" and they will most likely be way over dosed and won't get you where you want to be (mainly because you haven't mastered the basics) but hey, that's just my opinion. Either post your diet and training routines or give the "magic pill" route another shot......
 
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Old 03-14-2006, 12:25 PM   #3
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Sorry but I'm european and used to the metric system, so the first one was an estimation, second one used an convertor.
I'm official 1m88 (between 6ft1 and 6ft2) and weigh 100kgs (220pds if my convertor was right)
Training

Mo: Chest + shoulders: (used to train chest and biceps and shoulders and triceps, but have changed it and it's not 2 bad)
1. Incline Barbell press 3 sets 12-10-8
2. Dumbell press 3 sets 12-10-8
3. Incline/flat flye 3 sets 12-10-8
4. Cable crossover 3 sets 15-12-12

Shoulders:
1. Side laterals 3 sets 12-10-8
2. bent over side raises 12-10-10
3. one more for rear delt same as above
4. upright rows
5. shrugs 3 sets 18-16-14
6. shrugs with barbbell 2 sets
Tue: rest

Wednesday: back
1. pull-up 4 sets as much i can
2. barbbell rowing 3 sets 12-10-8
3. dumbell rowing 3 sets 12-10-8
4. lat pulley 3 sets 12-10-8
5. deadlift 3 sets 10-8-6

Thursday: legs
1. squat 4 sets
2. leg press 3 sets
3. hack squat 3 sets
4. leg extension 3 sets
5. reverse leg extension 3 sets
6. calves seated 4 sets
7. calves standing 3 sets

Friday:triceps and biceps
1. small bench press 3 sets
2. lying french press 3 sets
3. cable extension 3 sets
4. dip 3sets

Biceps:
1. standing barbbell curl 3 sets 12-10-8
2. biceps curl machine 3 sets 12-10-8
3. seated dumbell curl 3 sets 12-10-8
4. concentration curl 2 sets 10-10

To me the training is good cause I've 90% of the time sore muscles
Diet follows
 
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Old 03-14-2006, 12:31 PM   #4
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The fluctuation in height and weight makes sense then. Either way, your diet is key. I don't have time to really peek into your training at this minute but from a fly by point of view it looks like there may be a possibilty of overtraining going on.

Also, muscle soreness doesn't neccesarily mean you are growing. It just isn't completely practical (think injury - muscle hurts like hell but that doesn't mean it is good for you etc).

Post up your BMR etc when you get to the diet. I will be around tonight if I get everything caught up...
 
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Old 03-14-2006, 12:35 PM   #5
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Diet
6: 40gr (1,4 oz) brinta with 25gr (0,9oz) protein powder and an apple

8: 4 panncakes (made with fatfree yoghurt, 6eggs (4 eggwhite), 3 scoops of protein powder and baked in pamspray)

10: 100 gr (3,5oz) of white rice and 75 gr (2,6oz) chicken and 40gr protein powder (optimum) with water


12.30: 200 gr (7oz) of rice with 150 gr (5,29oz) chicken and pineapple

14.30: cheese dessert 14gr protein, 0,9gr fat

15: optimum shake

17.30 after workout: interactive lean gainer 25gr protein/25gr carbs

18u meal at home (still living with parents) can be steak or sausage with potatoes and vegetable

21u optimum shake and rice cracker


just my weekends are bad, i don't eat regualry in the weekends and 2 junkmeals in the weekend

Hope you can help me out

Thx
 
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Old 03-14-2006, 12:36 PM   #6
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So you suggest less exercises and less reps or...
 
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Old 03-16-2006, 01:47 AM   #7
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I am going to respond to this like you want to cut your bf% but maintain mass - hopefully this is correct - if not a bulker can be written but I would suggest lowering your bf% before seriously bulking again.

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6: 40gr (1,4 oz) brinta with 25gr (0,9oz) protein powder and an apple

I am going to struggle with the metric conversions and food names I can tell. However, what is Brinta?

I suggest 40grams of protein mixed with water. No apples and no Brinta if that is not water.


8: 4 panncakes (made with fatfree yoghurt, 6eggs (4 eggwhite), 3 scoops of protein powder and baked in pamspray)

Move this meal to 7am at the latest...

Not bad but where are your carbs? I would suggest finely blending some oats and using these in there as well.


10: 100 gr (3,5oz) of white rice and 75 gr (2,6oz) chicken and 40gr protein powder (optimum) with water

I am just going to say, 1 cup of BROWN rice and 6 ounces of chicken, NO protein powder.

Also, throw in some green vegetables - about 1 cup...


12:30 200 gr (7oz) of rice with 150 gr (5,29oz) chicken and pineapple

Make this meal 1pm with 1 cup of brown rice, 6 ounces of chicken

Lose the pineapple and replace with veggies...


14.30: cheese dessert 14gr protein, 0,9gr fat

Make this meal 3:30pm and scrap the "dessert" all together - replace this with another meal like above

15: optimum shake

This meal needs to be small but with some carbs and needs to be around an hour pre-workout so...

Make this meal 4:30pm and use a half cup of oats or rice and 3-4 ounces of chicken/lean meat


17.30 after workout: interactive lean gainer 25gr protein/25gr carbs

Bump this to 40grams protein and 80grams dextrose/maltodextrin (However, I prefer oats so you may want to try this as well)

18u meal at home (still living with parents) can be steak or sausage with potatoes and vegetable

Regardless of what time it is (as I have lost your since you seemed to be having whey during your workout), make this meal 1 hour after your Post Workout Shake but it needs to be clean like the other meals above. However, at this time of night you should go with 6 ounces chicken, 1 cup of greeens and some healthy fats - either nuts or olive oil added into food

21u optimum shake and rice cracker

Try your pineapple here with 1-2 cups of fat-free cottage cheese

just my weekends are bad, i don't eat regualry in the weekends and 2 junkmeals in the weekend

ONE junkmeal on the weekend - period and stick to the rest of the meal schedule no matter what day of the week it is.

On non-workout days you need to cut out about half of your carbs from this diet and replace the calories with protein sources coming only from lean meats


Hope you can help me out

Thx
I will get to your training as soon as I can.

Notice that we want protein and clean carbs in the first half of the day, and protein with good fats in the later part of the day. Stick with this for a while and see where it gets you. Take a multi-vitamin along with some EFA's (i.e. fish body or flax seed oilsJ). A digestive enzyme may help you too...

Lastly and most importantly, I didn't see ANY cardio. I would reccommend at least 45 minutes of cardio 4 days a week first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Just walk at a high incline (not so high at first to hurt your shins) just fast enough to keep your heartrate near 60% max....

Ask more questions if you need to as I may be a little unclear on exactly what you want (the reason I say this is because you originally asked for cycle help to bulk but then stated you wanted to get rid of your stomach)......
 
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Old 03-16-2006, 03:54 PM   #8
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I wanna get rid of my stomach but add mass to.
But firts the stomach.
So you suggest i should wait a while before I do another stack.
My goal is to get at 10-12%
With 12 I would be happy to begin with.
Is there much difference between white and braun rice?

And brinta is something like oatmeal.
 
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Old 03-16-2006, 03:57 PM   #9
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And dextrose/maltodextrine; where I can get?
In what types of foods or shakes...?
 
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