[Monster72]

Hey all this is my first thread started, normally I just sit back and commit. But this is the situation, I recently went to the fertility doc with my wife because we were having trouble making children, make a long story short I have low sperm count due to low test levels (I have 7 and something like 30 is normal I think ??) - well the interesting thing is that I'm a pretty strong guy bench 320 incline 300 sqaut 405 for 5 reps - and I was even stronger when I played ball in college!! (I just turned 29), One thing is I'm over wieght and been that way since b4 peuberty (SP?) not too over weight about 35-45 lbs over and I have fat around my chest that's hard to get rid of even when I did drop about 40 lbs one year. So the doc is gonna give me some shots he said will help boost my test levels (my wife just called and found out today so I don't know the name of the drugs) - they said the test might go up to normal and stay that way or I might have to have this therapy for a while - any of you guys out there have any experience with this - and btw I never used any gear or anything b4 - about 3 years ago I took some 4AD from agopharm but I didn't even use all of it and I smoked weed after I stopped playin ball for about 2.5 years pretty often but haven't ****ed with that shyt since 2003 and I've been working out like hell!!

[PUMBA]

Have not had the problem bro, but take advantage of any shots with your training. Also known a few couples that have trouble concieving but with weight loss it occured.

Good Luck to you and your wife, I'm sure everyone here wishes you luck.

[roccodart440]

WHOAH!!!!!! Hold the horses!

Low test does not always cause low sperm count. WHat were your FSH and LH levels?

Low test does not mean you cna't get big or strong. Also those stats when compared to the masses are impressive but not crazy or anything in the competitive world. Low test will make it harder to make gains and it wil make you take longer to recouperate. It does many other negative things outside of the gym.

THe noremal range of test varies so wildly that it means very little. The normal tet range is 400-1080 on most scales. SOmepeople function perfectly with 400 and others have issues despite being highre than that and well into the nromal range. IF your put on TRT they want to have you in the top 1/4 of the scale. Typically 100mg test E EW.

Being 35-40 pounds overweight is pretty overweight. The more fat you have on your body the more aroromatazation you'll be having. YOu should have your estrogen checked. High estrogen can cause many symptoms of low test.

WHat are in these shots the doc is planning to give you? IF it's test it is going to shut you down and lower your sperm count even more. Basicly making all of your problems worse. If it's hcg it will help both your sperm count and help your test but it will shut the pituitary down so when you get off you'll need to folowu up qwith PCT. ALso find out how much is in each shot if it's hcg. If they plan to give you anymore than 500iu per shot refuse it. It will desensitize your lydeg cells in your testes permanantly.

It only takes one time with gear to **** you up especialy with no PCt.

[Monster72]

Yeah, I know the numbers aren't fantastic (when I saw Paul Sr.'s old ass from the chopper show on discovery throwin up 385lbs for reps I knew I got a ways to go!!) Now I'm working on the body weight tryin to lower it, my LH and FSH levels were normal but test was low (don't know the exact figures) and sperm count was pretty low (bout 5mil and normal is 20mil) the low sperm count was what led them to do blood checks for test levels. I will know next week exactly what they plan on giving me. But from what I have read I think it should be hCG to kick start sperm production and test. If they are planning on giving test I will try and make shure they have some kind of PCT ready, but I trust this doc he's a specialist. Now I've been hitting the wieghts 4 times a week and working on some cardio with a clean diet to try and shead this extra fat before I turn 30 next year. Thanx for the responses folks

[roccodart440]

Paul Sr. Was doing 405 for reps. Not to make you feel worse. LOL.

I was/am in the same predicament as you. My total test was low, my free test was normal, my fsh and LH were normal. (currently i'm on cycle so none of that applies)

Clomid and hcg are the answer for you. Make sure you know what they are going to be giving you. Make sure you discuss everything thoroghly. ONe thing you need to knwo is if you use hcg they need to follow up with clomid or nolvadex because hcg is suppressive to the pituitary. THe body see's it as LH so it's kicks yourt nuts into gesar but shuts your brain down. HCG is suppressive. LAso as I said before make sure you find out the doses refuse anythign over 500iu E3D or 250iuED. Larger doses so not work anybetter tan the smaller ones they just become dmamging and dangerous. Smaller more frequent doses are much more efficient to your cause.

"If they are planning on giving test I will try and make shure they have some kind of PCT ready, but I trust this doc he's a specialist."

YOur missing me here. Test will lower your sperm count. ANd don't trust any doctor. Especially when it comes to things like this. At least ask many. MANY questions. Do not take test injections. DO you know my doc offered me testosterone therapy and offered no hcg to prevent atrophy and offered the gel and the patch but no inj's. After he realized (and admitted) that I knew as much or more than he did about the endocrine aspects of test treatment he reffered me to an endocrynologist. I hope at a minimum you are seeing an endo and not a primary.

Lose weight it will help your cause in many ways.

[Monster72]

Yo thanx for the info rd, just took my first 50mg tab of Clomid today - right now I'm only on clomid for 40 days. I not looking to take any test so that's cool. But what did you get for your low test and what can I expect from this clomid? (i heard it makes your nuts grow and blow big loads - hope that's true!!) I'm hittin the cardio and eating very clean to try and drop some serious weight. BTW - I saw Paul Sr. on the episode I watched hit 385 for about 7-8 reps and then 405 for 2 and he had a kinds of close grip.

[roccodart440]

I got hcg nolva and clomid.

[Monster72]

How long have you been taking those - what affect did you get - stronger, bigger sack - how was it??

[roccodart440]

I felt better, got gains like I was on gear, my balls grew. IT got my test back up to normal. 6 weeks