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Old 10-15-2009, 07:50 PM   #1
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I'm soon to start my second cycle,

Deca and Test cyp 7weeks

trenbolone acetate with test 5 weeks

start hcg 2 weeks after finishing with clomid ( 2 weeks)


sound decent? or any ways i could improve the cycle to get the best value for time any money...
 
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1-14 Test C 750mg PW
1-12 Deca 500mg PW
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:19 PM   #3
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cheers bud. no need 4 tren then ?
 
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Not for a 2nd cycle, stuff is VERY harsh.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:37 PM   #5
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Deca is very harsh and suppressive as well. not ideal for a first cycle. A simple test with and AI and standard pct should be sufficient
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Old 10-15-2009, 09:59 PM   #6
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HCG is to be ran during cycle not for PCT
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:22 PM   #7
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Why would you run HCG with your cycle rather than PCT?

Prime, what do you consider a standard PCT?
 
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:30 PM   #8
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Why would you run HCG with your cycle rather than PCT?

Prime, what do you consider a standard PCT?
It's to keep your natty test from being completely shut down to make pct much easier. Here...
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-ECA stack, clean cut to 195

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Quote from a source..

"HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production."
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:57 PM   #10
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"HCG administration post-cycle is common practice among bodybuilders in the belief that it will aid the natural testosterone recovery, but this theory is unfounded and also counterproductive. The rapid rise in both testosterone, and thus oestrogen due to aromatisation, from the administration of HCG causes further inhibition of the HPTA (Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis); this actually worsens the recovery situation. HCG does not restore the natural testosterone production."
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-ECA stack, clean cut to 195

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Old 10-16-2009, 12:33 AM   #11
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Very interesting, great info guys. Everything I have read up to this point has told me to use HCG for PCT rather than during for test maintenance. If your use it during your cycle for maintenance would you just use clomide and nolva for PCT?
 
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Old 10-16-2009, 12:48 AM   #12
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That's my standard protocol. Clomid should be the base of any PCT.
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Old 10-16-2009, 02:53 PM   #13
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4-5weeks clomid 50mg
2-3weeks nova or exe or adex, have been more commonly used in pct.
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How many days after last pin would ya'll recommend starting the Clomid and Nolva. Also, should the Nolva be run at 20mg per day?
 
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For long esters such as Deca, EQ, Enanthate and Cypionate, 2 weeks.
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Very good. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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