[TJ.]

Hey guys

im 28 years old 190 lbs and 6.2 tall i am going on off to the gym and thinking of going on anavar and durabolin as first cycle i checked the, outand side effect seems to be very low but still anavar shut u down so how can i avoid that and go back to normal aftershut down and what kind of pct should do ?
any suggestion of mg ed or eod thx alot

[HawaiianPride.]

Sust 500mg weeks 1-12
Var 50mg ED weeks 6-12

That's what I'd do.

[HawaiianPride.]

Forgot to add something. Tbol weeks 1-4 40-50mg ED.

[bodyunderconstruction]

wheres the test? clomid nolva after cycle

[aBdO511]

I'd go with only test first cycle (before anyone says anything about it that I am a teen and everything I dont take steroids and won't for the next few years lol) just stick the basic first cycle of 500mg test E/Week (pinning twice) instead of the sus (which u wont benefit from the short propionate ester) and you could add optionally D-Bol @ 20mg/day for the first 4 weeks...would drop the var even if it's mild it's still methylated and not good for your liver especially for a first cycle when you're not experienced enough

[aBdO511]

as for pct you should start it after 2 weeks from your last shot you could use clomid @ 300 mg first day and 100 mg first two weeks until day 5 of 2nd week then stay for the next 2 weeks @ 50mg of clomid/day and u could use nolva @ 40/40/20/20
and if I were u I would worry more about nutrition and training not about steroids if you have a decent diet with a proper workout and you should gain a good amount of mass

[aBdO511]

and yeah I forgot to say but if there's anything of what I said that u didn't know...then you're not ready for roids...do more research and eat clean supplement with creatine & whey protein and you should be fine

[HawaiianPride.]

Originally Posted by aBdO511

I'd go with only test first cycle (before anyone says anything about it that I am a teen and everything I dont take steroids and won't for the next few years lol) just stick the basic first cycle of 500mg test E/Week (pinning twice) instead of the sus (which u wont benefit from the short propionate ester) and you could add optionally D-Bol @ 20mg/day for the first 4 weeks...would drop the var even if it's mild it's still methylated and not good for your liver especially for a first cycle when you're not experienced enough

No orals are good for your liver. Liv52 should be thrown in the mix if any orals are stacked no matter what. Also, you benefit from EVERY ester in the Sustanon blend. Don't know where you got that propionate doesn't benefit you..

[aBdO511]

I know u will benefit from it but in order to have it's maximum effect it should be shot every other day...that's not from a personal experience just the research I made...and HP ur Test P log is gr8

[HawaiianPride.]

Thanks bro. Yeah that's why Sust should be shot EOD.

[TJ.]

Thx guys for the advice now let me tell u that I have troubl gaining mass I don't know why tried difrent trainings and diets but nothing :( and that's why I am thinking about roids . I thought about test and sust but this will make me gain a lot of mass and very fast with lot of water retantion and var will give good mass gain and most will b lean as for durabolin and not deca durabolin will help that out also :) that's after the reading that I have done and for the liver damage ur right that's why I thought of liver 52. And niacine I think. Then volva with clomid to b on the safe side and hcg