[FARMBOY]

Quik question.....should the dosage and duration of your PCT be dictated by the dosage and duration of your gear cycle or is your PCT cycle standard? Little help. Thanks

[HawaiianPride.]

Clomid = Always the base of a solid PCT, then if anything else is needed, simply add to it

Nolva = For protection of Gyno or in some cases moderate bloat during or after cycle, but not good for prolactin based sides.
Not as effective as Clomid in restore natty test levels.

Both should exactly two weeks after last pin for 1 month.

[FARMBOY]

Thanks for the insight HP.

[huuuge]

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Clomid = Always the base of a solid PCT, then if anything else is needed, simply add to it

Nolva = For protection of Gyno or in some cases moderate bloat during or after cycle, but not good for prolactin based sides.
Not as effective as Clomid in restore natty test levels.

Both should exactly two weeks after last pin for 1 month.

This depends on what steroid you are using. If Test E then 2 weeks is spot on, if Sus then it should be 3 weeks, if Test P then only a few days until PCT. It's all on how long the steroid is 'active' in your system for.

[HawaiianPride.]

Correct, long esters and short esters require different times for the initiation of PCT. Whats your cycle going to look like Farmboy?

[FARMBOY]

Quick cycle run down:

Test Cyp. - 200 2/week
Deca - 275 1/week
Sust.- 325 1/week
D-bol- 50mg ea/day week 1-4

What you think.

[huuuge]

I've never run deca before but 275mg doesn't seem enough. I thought it should be run at like 400mg?! Dont quote me on that tho!!

How long is the cycle gonna last?

[HawaiianPride.]

300mg - 400mg minimum on Deca intermediate users.

[FARMBOY]

I'll try uping the Deca. How does everything else look? I've been thinking about uping the Test Cyp also. This Cycle will run me 12 weeks.

[huuuge]

I'd be wanting to pin 250mg test twice a week bud. Up the deca as Pride has said. The rest is good.

Whats your PCT loking like?

*EDIT - Forgot you are running Sus as well. Sus is better being pinned EOD because of the short esters in it.

Is the Sus 325mg/ml?

[HawaiianPride.]

Test at 500mg pinning twice a week. Always keep the deca higher than the test.

EDIT, TEST MUST ALWAYS BE HIGHER THAN THE DECA

Lol sorry it's early guys..

[HawaiianPride.]

1-12 cyp @ 500mg m/f
1-12 sus @ 750mg total pinning m/w/f
Throw the Deca out of there.
1-4 Dbol at 40-mgs to 50mgs.

What is your cycle history?

[huuuge]

I thought test had to be higher than deca. I've never used it before, good job I haven't cause i'd have run test higher!!

[HawaiianPride.]

Lol saved ^^^^^^^^^

[huuuge]

Yup!! I prob won't ever run Deca cause I've only ever done Test and Tren and it works great for me!

[HawaiianPride.]

What kind of Test? Was it from "G"?

[huuuge]

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

What kind of Test? Was it from "G"?

Nope, it was from a friend who was selling so called BD!! It was before i'd done any reasearch!!

[HawaiianPride.]

Ahh I see, I'd edit that and put "BD" instead.. always wanna be safe lol. I like initial my sources.

[huuuge]

Sweet

[FARMBOY]

Hey Guys, The Sust is 325 mg/ml. I'm having a time trying to figure out how to pin 750mg per week m/w/f. This will be my first REAL cycle. I was first introduced to it by a friend who recomended that Deca would help with my rotator cuff issues. I took 1c a week of Deca 275 for 10 weeks (1-10mg/ml bottle). I couldn't believe the results just with my shoulder and I also had some small muscle gains as well. My second round was a couple of months later. I ran Sustaplex 325mg/ml for 10 weeks at 750mg per week pinning every tues and thurs. I couldn't believe the strength gains, i also putton some decent muscle gains as well. I probably would have had more if my diet would have been better. Unfortunantly I didn't know about things like PCT at this time so when I quit I crashed F#&%ing hard. This pushed me to start doing my homework and learn more before my next cycle. It has been 7 months since my last pin. My PCT for my next cycle is as follows one week after last pin:

HCG- 2500 IU's eod for 16 weeks
Clomid- 50 mg 2/day for 30 days
Tamoxifen/Nolvadex- 20mg 1/day for 45 days.

Doing my best to do my homework. Still not sure on the ester times of all the diff AAS.

[HawaiianPride.]

Just do 650mg m/f. If gyno appears take the nolva early on and do 40mg.

[huuuge]

Or if you wanna hit a bit closer to 750mg all you gotta do is pin .8ml at a time.

325/10 (increments per ml on syringe) = 32.5 (so each small tick on the syringe, assuming there is 10 ticks per ml equals 32.5mg of test)

32.5 x 8 = 260mg for each shot!!

[FARMBOY]

Pride, How long would you say to do the nolva when or if gyno appears. You think 40 until end of cycle or will the gyno clear up and stop? How can I tell the difference in gyno from just fatty tissue on the chest I havn't gotten rid of yet? I was told at one time that gyno would be like a knot on your breast, I don't know how true that is.

Thanks for the breakdown Huuge. I hadn't thought about it that way. That's thinkin outside the box.

[huuuge]

No worries man, there's always a way of getting things done!!

When it comes to gyno - you'll start to get itchy nips or start feeling a lump under/around your nip. Start taking the nolva straight away. I'm not 100% on the dose and for how long, but if it was me, i'd start with 40mged until it felt better then drop down to 20mg for the rest of the cycle.

The best thing to use would be aromasin, it's expensive, but if you run it 12.5mg ed through the cycle, even eod on a light cycle you shouldn't experience gyno.


My next cycle is test e and p, tren A, tbol and Var and i'm using aromasin and naltrexone throughout!