[Buffet]

Losing is never easy. The important thing is to conduct oneself with civility and professionalism. There's always gonna be somebody bigger, stronger, or tougher - unless you're Ronnie. LOL.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by Buffet

It's obvious that GSP uses gear, albeit in small amounts. Probably a little Deca and Winstrol. He couldn't be using much, or training very hard, or he wouldn't be so scrawny. I love watching UFC/MMA, but, honestly most of those guys, with a few exceptions, look like crap (astericks?) There's not one of 'em that'd be a match for a competitive bodybuilder. Most of them have little is the way of pec developement, which is where punching power mainly comes from, and don't get me started on the correlation between strength and choking...

No. Punching power mainly comes from the legs and hips.

[islander]

I figured a lot of back and shoulder, definitely more then pec.

[Thomas_Rivera]

A punch recruits just about every muscle in the body but without the legs or hips it's power is very limited. Furthermore, if by pec development is meant as in size, then it has no direct correlation with the strength or power potential of a person. GSP also isn't scrawny, he's lengthy and has a long reach compared to guys his height. In his fight against Alves, Alves came in looking larger and more developed and was manhandled.

[islander]

mhmm manhandled by GSP

[Kevsworld]

I think it's possible GSP uses the juice, but there's no real proof. UFC does steroid testing as far as I know, and he apparently has passed all of their tests.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by Kevsworld

I think it's possible GSP uses the juice, but there's no real proof. UFC does steroid testing as far as I know, and he apparently has passed all of their tests.

It's possible any fighter has juiced. But innocent until proven otherwise.

[Kevsworld]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

It's possible any fighter has juiced. But innocent until proven otherwise.

Agreed.

[JNB]

BJ Penn apologizes to "all parties involved."

"I just read Yahoo's interview with me today and during the interview Kevin Iole asked me 'Do I have to have bad blood with all of my opponents?' And I said, 'No that's just that's just what it looks like to the new fans.' The only reason why I had bad blood with Sherk & GSP is because it was my opinion that they were doing steroids and I never thought Kevin Iole would do such a big investigation to call Greg Jackson, to call Sheri Spencer and all these people and I really don't like how article came out. I'm fighting Kenny Florian and there shouldn't have been an article out with one-third of the article talking about me saying GSP does steroids, so I want to apologize to all parties involved. To Kevin Iole: I just wanted to send a message out to you. I'm not mad at you or disappointed. I realize that good journalism... you gotta get a good interesting story. I just didn't know that this story was gonna be, you know, so much about GSP and steroid use and with that whole investigation. Because I haven't been doing work with Sherdog and MMAWeekly, I don't want it to seem like I'm mad at you because you asked me if you could put my opinion up and I said yeah it was okay for you to put my opinion up, but I just didn't know that a big part of the article was going to be about steroid use."

-UFC lightweight champion BJ Penn apologizes to all parties involved after he accused UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre of steroid use in a column written by MMA insider Kevin Iole which appeared yesterday on Yahoo! Sports. Its interesting to note that Penn doesn't take back his steroid allegations so its difficult to ascertain just what he's apologizing for.

Penn (13-5-1) will face Kenny Florian (11-3) this Saturday at UFC 101 in a fight which will likely help determine his shaky status among the world's best fighters pound-for-pound. He's been going back-and-forth verbally with St. Pierre since losing a one-sided affair against the welterweight champion last January at UFC 94. Penn claimed he was intentionally pegged as the "bad guy" in UFC specials leading up to the fight and has been noticeably more humble in interviews heading into his fight with Florian.

Penn, who's had a rough go of it in the media lately, can fix many of his PR issues with a decisive win against Florian at UFC 101. Nothing cures negative public perceptions like a big win.

^He never thought that saying "I think GSP uses steroids" would lead someone to a) investigate it further and find other peoples opinions on the matter and b) publish it? What an idiot. I pray KenFlo takes the UFC lightweight title tomorrow.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Blowjob is just upset over his last fight with GSP. He's upset over the fact that GSP

1. Neutralized all offense he had
2. Dominated him
3. Did it easily

BJ is quite easily the most overhyped MMA character that Dana has ever promoted. They try to set him up as the rich boy who is just naturally good at fighting. If he wants to improve his record he should stop doing stuff like carrying rocks under water and jumping out of pools. I'm sure if those were in anyway related to MMA he might stand a better chance against florian, but they aren't.

[Famine]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

Blowjob is just upset over his last fight with GSP.

BJ is quite easily the most overhyped MMA character that Dana has ever promoted. They try to set him up as the rich boy who is just naturally good at fighting. If he wants to improve his record he should stop doing stuff like carrying rocks under water and jumping out of pools. I'm sure if those were in anyway related to MMA he might stand a better chance against florian, but they aren't.

[Medic08]

Over rated? Lol that's funny. Bj is a stud..... At 155lbs

[HawaiianPride.]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

Blowjob is just upset over his last fight with GSP. He's upset over the fact that GSP

1. Neutralized all offense he had
2. Dominated him
3. Did it easily

BJ is quite easily the most overhyped MMA character that Dana has ever promoted. They try to set him up as the rich boy who is just naturally good at fighting. If he wants to improve his record he should stop doing stuff like carrying rocks under water and jumping out of pools. I'm sure if those were in anyway related to MMA he might stand a better chance against florian, but they aren't.

Damn bro I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion but you just straight burned Penn down with this! Who cares what he accused GSP of doing.. he still lost that bout and that's all that matters. But IMO, that shouldn't make it okay to disrespect his name by referring to him as "blowjob" or any other stupid names. I'm a fan of Kenny, Bj, and GSP no matter what they do or say because in the end for these guys it all comes down to putting on a show and causing hype for the media. They will always in my eyes be great at what they do, but I would never go so low as to disrespect what they hold true to themselves.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by Medic08

Over rated? Lol that's funny. Bj is a stud..... At 155lbs

Yes, I think he's overrated, I'll hit a few points.

He's promoted always with some variation of "BJ didnt have to fight, he comes from a rich family, but he wants to get in the octagon and test himself and has so much natural talent, he doesn't look big but hes strong, etc" His win record doesn't speak to his promotion from the UFC. He has historically lost 1 out of about every three fights.

He's ranked number 1 by sherdog in the lightweight division, but the UFC doesn't have a terribly stacked 155 weight division. The 155 has incredible experience disparities, its flooded with guys that are either 20+ fights in or just coming up that have the potential to be great, Frankie Edgar for one. If he's deserving of that rank he needs to win against Florian decisively.

Another reason I say hes over rated is because since his come back in the ufc since 06 he's only finished two legitimate fighters, Sherk and Stevenson. I wouldn't count Pulver just because out of his last ten fights he's lost 8 and previous to fighting Penn pulver lost 3 out of five bouts. His record since his return to the ufc is also 1 loss for every 1 win.

I understand that he was fighting at 170 for the three fights that he lost, but there are other great top rated fighters that have won in two different divisions effectively. I'd like to see him drop down to 145 and see a WEC UFC matchup between him and Farber or Brown.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Damn bro I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion but you just straight burned Penn down with this! Who cares what he accused GSP of doing.. he still lost that bout and that's all that matters. But IMO, that shouldn't make it okay to disrespect his name by referring to him as "blowjob" or any other stupid names. I'm a fan of Kenny, Bj, and GSP no matter what they do or say because in the end for these guys it all comes down to putting on a show and causing hype for the media. They will always in my eyes be great at what they do, but I would never go so low as to disrespect what they hold true to themselves.

I don't respect BJ at all for the things he's done since the GSP fight. He tried to get the fight ruling overturned, which is fine and good if he felt cheated, but he tried to get the fight overturned on the assumption that people were stupid enough to believe that rubbing residual vaseline would have caused the fight to have a different outcome than what it should have. If you and a partner had vasiline on just your forhead and rolled for 2 minutes, you'd find a good majority of your body has it on you.

Then he says the man is using steroids. I understand if GSP badmouthed him during the interviews or over the net, but he tried to low ball a fellow fighter.

[HawaiianPride.]

Well your never going to know truthfully if his intentions were really real or not. Like I said, a lot of things they say to the media is for hype. The sport wouldn't be as interesting if everybody took a beating down fair and square and walked away congratulating the other fighter and left it at that. As for the vasoline thing, there's only so much they put above your eye and on your cheek.. if it really was spread all over the place like he said it was then maybe they did put too much on. But I don't really care honestly, he lost and that's all I really cared to see.

[HawaiianPride.]

With all that being put aside, I can't wait until tomorrow!

[101bodybuilder]

YouTube - I just read the yahoo article from today

[HawaiianPride.]

They really did make it a big deal. Who cares what his opinions are. Yeah he was right about Sean, maybe it's true about GSP.. nobody will ever know unless he pisses which will never happen. He can state his opinions all day long but in the end it won't help him in the ring so it doesn't really matter much in my eyes.

[Buffet]

Penn needsto shut up and get in the gym. He has no definition whatsoever.

[HawaiianPride.]

Lol you don't need to be defined to be in MMA.

[Buffet]

I sure wouldn't be seen on TV lookin' like that!! He (Penn) obviously has no pride or self-esteem.

[Medic08]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

Yes, I think he's overrated, I'll hit a few points.

He's promoted always with some variation of "BJ didnt have to fight, he comes from a rich family, but he wants to get in the octagon and test himself and has so much natural talent, he doesn't look big but hes strong, etc" His win record doesn't speak to his promotion from the UFC. He has historically lost 1 out of about every three fights.

He's ranked number 1 by sherdog in the lightweight division, but the UFC doesn't have a terribly stacked 155 weight division. The 155 has incredible experience disparities, its flooded with guys that are either 20+ fights in or just coming up that have the potential to be great, Frankie Edgar for one. If he's deserving of that rank he needs to win against Florian decisively.

Another reason I say hes over rated is because since his come back in the ufc since 06 he's only finished two legitimate fighters, Sherk and Stevenson. I wouldn't count Pulver just because out of his last ten fights he's lost 8 and previous to fighting Penn pulver lost 3 out of five bouts. His record since his return to the ufc is also 1 loss for every 1 win.

I understand that he was fighting at 170 for the three fights that he lost, but there are other great top rated fighters that have won in two different divisions effectively. I'd like to see him drop down to 145 and see a WEC UFC matchup between him and Farber or Brown.

First off for you to say that the 155 is not stacked is just plain crazy! 155 is prob one of the most stacked divisions, next to welter weight. And BJ has lost one fight at 155lbs and that was to Pulver back in the day, He dismanteled Sean Sherk like it was easy.... GSP is the only other person to finish Sherk. He whopped Joe's ass like no bodies business! I mean I really dont know what else you could ask for in a fighter??? He is very talented and over rated and BJ do not even go together in the same sentence. BJ will prevail tomorrow. Will it be an easy fight? No,Ken Flo is tough, but he is not at the same level as BJ. BJ has also won belts in two different weight classes. The only guys to ever do that is Couture, Penn, and Hendo. So if you think he's over rated then I dont know what to tell ya. So who's not overrated?

[fuze59]

Originally Posted by Medic08

They aren't comparable. It's two totally different sports. They don't focus on looking good just like a body builder doesnt train for endurance. A bb has all the muscle, but a fighter can run circles around them. It's not all about muscle and looks in fighting.

Totally agreed. MMA guys train strength and conditioning.. body builders train size.. sumo wrestlers train something else.. olympic syncronised swimmers train other things.. totally different sports..

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by Medic08

First off for you to say that the 155 is not stacked is just plain crazy! 155 is prob one of the most stacked divisions, next to welter weight. And BJ has lost one fight at 155lbs and that was to Pulver back in the day, He dismanteled Sean Sherk like it was easy.... GSP is the only other person to finish Sherk. He whopped Joe's ass like no bodies business! I mean I really dont know what else you could ask for in a fighter??? He is very talented and over rated and BJ do not even go together in the same sentence. BJ will prevail tomorrow. Will it be an easy fight? No,Ken Flo is tough, but he is not at the same level as BJ. BJ has also won belts in two different weight classes. The only guys to ever do that is Couture, Penn, and Hendo. So if you think he's over rated then I dont know what to tell ya. So who's not overrated?

Who in the current lightweight division would you consider tops? Compared to all the other divisions in the UFC its not stacked. UFC easilly has 5 or 6 of the top heavy weights, all the top lh guys, 8 or 9 of the top middles and 9 or ten of the top welterweight fighters. Comparatively the light weight division in the UFC is not as stacked as the other divisions. The lightweight division is the only one where dream, sengoku and WEC has just about an equal amount of top caliber fighters as the ufc.

I said the last two legitimate fighters since his return to the ufc that he has beat are Sherk and Stevenson, I give him that, he beat them well. I think you may have mistaken what I meant about Pulver. Pulvers last set of fights have been miserable. He's won 3 out of ten last fights, currently he's not a top contender in any sense, especially when Penn beat him. When his recent fight with Penn happened he was on his way into a streak of losses.

Sanchez used to fight at middle weight and has made the switch down well, swick is doing alot of damage and hes switched weight classes, rich franklin, martin kampmann to name off the top of my head. These guys may have not won belts in two different divisions, but fight wise they were successful.

Randy came out of retirement to fight a guy 40 pounds larger with less wrestling skills but at the time considerable heavy weight skillsand dominated for 5 rounds, Dan went up to fight and knockout Wanderlei who was argueably at his best. BJ got a submission on one of the most dangerous wrestlers ever in the UFC, but a guy that was fighting his 39th fight within a five or six year period.

I think for as good as he's touted as by the UFC he is only able to show that in the 155 pound division.

Now I'm not saying he's a horrible fighter. To be fair i'll list all the things I like about him.

1. Cage defense
2. His balance
3. His flexibility
4. His application of BJJ to MMA, which is ahead of what most people can do
5. Solid striking

[islander]

Penn is a killer fighter (wouldnt think so after last fight but..) not over rated at all. I dont like Florian so I dont care who wins. Well I guess mabey ill go for Florain cause of all this **** now. O was listening to come interent radio show on baseball and the annoucer was like 'I KNOW' this guy is on steriods. Like ****. Did you actully see him take them...I highly doubt it so shut the **** up. I hate it when people say I know he did this or that, you cant ****en know...lol anyway What about Forrest and Silva!? That should be hot. Silva for the win. Next UFC has a bunch of good fights too, Coutre Nogeria! shiiitt!

[fuze59]

Yeah Im super excited for the Spider v forest fight.. will great to see anderson pressured.. wonder if we will see the early anderson silva.. after all the crap and boos hes been getting id be very surprised if he just fights for the decision win..

one thing i am looking forward to is not having to another hear another "I WANT BJ's BELT" promotion (if u have spike u will get it)

[HawaiianPride.]

Torres vs. Bowles this Sunday on Versus. This is the fight I really want to see..

[Medic08]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

Now I'm not saying he's a horrible fighter. To be fair i'll list all the things I like about him.

1. Cage defense
2. His balance
3. His flexibility
4. His application of BJJ to MMA, which is ahead of what most people can do
5. Solid striking

Ummm you just named everything to be good at minus Thai and wrestling,lol. Still dont understand your logic bro, but it's cool... We all have opinions. Enjoy the fight tonight

[Julio]

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Torres vs. Bowles this Sunday on Versus. This is the fight I really want to see..

i want to see that fight too, but i have no cable at all. ill see it after its on the net.