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Originally Posted by Freak
I'm torn up mentally about this. I like the fact that natural talent can only take you so far and if you do not respect that you must evolve you will eventually lose. BJ is talented and will still be dominant at the 155 class but this might be the beginning of the end for him. His whole theme before this fight was that GSP quit, that GSP is weak mentally. I understand why BJ quit, I understand that, but at the same point there was a craziness and unknown factor for BJ that was there, that will be forever gone. I am utterly devastated at the lack of ability to even contend with GSP.
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That's one of the things BJ repeated over and over in those training shows. How he'd never quit. And then what does he do. Quit. His mantra was GSP was weak for tapping in the fight (against Serra wasn't it?) and how he could never do that and that would always be his advantage. Goes to show, never say never.
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Originally Posted by Freak
On the other side, trying to stay upbeat since this is entertainment. It is nice to see someone with a hard work ethic who honestly examines his weaknesses and improves upon them. Most know about him seeing a sports psychologist and some try to make it out as a weakness but I am glad he saw that as an area to improve and he did what he had to do to improve. It is no different than when his BJJ was subpar and then he goes on to earn his black belt. Although I would like to see Anderson Silva and GSP; this fight is reinforcing that maybe people shouldn't be able to move up in weight classes, only down. Dana said that GSP could move up to 185 to fight Silva but not BJ. I just wonder if even having GSP move up would be a wrong move.
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I see why they only want them to move up instead of down. If they move up it's closer to their "natural weight" and can make for a better fight. If they were cutting
another weight class down (as almost all cut some weight to make fight weight) it might make for lackluster performances, especially if the heavier guy won and had to repeatedly cut to defend that title. If they win the heavier title they might eventually over time "move up" to that heavier weight class as they gain muscle weight, grow and strengthen and evolve in general.
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Originally Posted by Freak
There is a fine line between cementing a legacy and destroying your career. BJ just did it, Jordan did it, Lance Armstrong is about to do it. I would like, for once, a person to not try and go back. Be the very best you can be and know when to call it quits. Realize when there is nothing left to prove. Really examine the motivations behind what you are doing and I hope that greed, fame, or arrogance does not play into those thoughts.
The mystique of many world class athletes has recently been demoralizing. We have Royce Gracie test positive for steroids, De La Hoya calls it quits in the ring, BJ calls it quits in the cage, can there ever just be a pure fighter? Is GSP that fighter?
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I don't know if GSP is that fighter. I think anyone near the top of their game is looking for a bigger challenge, wherever that may lead them. Those whose best years are behind them though, well that's a different story, and they should probably pursue other paths.
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Originally Posted by Freak
They all do though to market the fight. I understand what you mean though, there is personal attacks and pumping up a fight. I think that the way you fight and finish does more to sell the fight than whatever the opponents say leading up to the fight.
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Yeah I expected the usual trash talk but
how Penn said what he said made more of an impact on me especially with how he was handling his training.
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Originally Posted by Teamorbit
Yeah I kow a couple of guys who train and are good friends with Penn and they said hes not like that in real life. All hype. gotta get that money know what I mean.
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I hope his talk was all hype, but the way he sounded from those shows didn't seem like trash talk/hype. He came off more as a spoiled rich a-hole, who normally had everything handed to him and never had to really work for anything.
I just wondered if you you guys heard about this **** BJ has been saying about GSP cheating and taking him to court and **** (he lost) but this funnest thing was about the kiss that I mentioned Im not sure if any of you caught it but give this a listen.
