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Old 06-30-2009, 07:57 PM   #1
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The deadlift is a compound exercise and a pulling type movement. Many people have trouble performing it correctly. It is also one of my personal favorites. The deadlift is widely regarded as the second best overall exercise, second only to the infamous squat. A great number of muscles are stimulated by this lift, as well as a number of hormones. This thread will provide a view of the different types of deadlifts, how to perform the lift correctly and how to increase the weight lifted.

In the following paragraphs I'll be talking about a natural arch I mean the way your back has just a slight curve to it when standing straight up. That same curve(or arch) in the back must be maintained at all times to ensure safety. A rounded back when deadlifting can result in a slew of injuries.

There are many different styles of deadlifts, they include sumo style, conventional, trap bar deads, and snatch grip deadlifts.

Sumo style is most commonly used among powerlifters to maximize strength by putting the load mostly on the hamstrings instead of the lower back like a conventional deadlift.

When doing a sumo style deadlift you will spread your legs () about 1.5x shoulder width. Be careful not to go too wide, or you'll lost some of the power behind the lift.The stance should be wide and comfortable. I use the rings on the bar as a reference.

The second type of stance is conventional, for this deadlift you need to have a shoulder width stance or a little wider. This style is most commonly used by bodybuilders, most people can't lift as much weight this way compared to sumo style. Still some powerlifters do choose the conventional stance. Do which ever is most comfortable to you and that you can lift the most weight with.

Trap bar deadlifts refer to a deadlift performed using a diamond shaped trap bar. These are especially popular among high school athletes, those bars aren't used in a powerlifting competition. So other than for a change every once in a while, trap bar deadlifts shouldn't be used to prepare for a competition.

Another form of deadlifts, not very commonly used is the snatch grip deadlift. This means taking a very wide grip, like when performing a snatch. The only difference between this style and a conventional style is that, like stated above, you have a wider grip. When doing this style the hamstring, glutes and lower back have even more strain put on them than in a normal deadlift. This exercise is actually very useful and should be used when you plateau on your usually style of deads. You're not going to be able to move the same amount of weight, but the muscles will work much harder.

Once you've selected a style their's one more thing you must decide, what type of grip is best for you. A mixed grip refers to a grip where one hand is over and one is under. Mixed grip provides more grip strength, but lifting with the same mixed grip will lead to muscular imbalances. For this reason it's important to vary which hand is overhand and which is underhand. Vary it either by set or week. Or just go overhand completely, to do this you must have an extremely strong grip however.

Regardless of which of the style and grip you prefer the execution is basically the same.

Stand with your shins touching the bar or the bar about an inch away from the shins.

Bend down at the knees to grab the bar, as you do this really push your butt out and make sure your back has the natural arch to it.

Grasp the bar with a mixed, or overhand grip.

Make sure to look straight ahead, chin up, chest out, abs tight, and that natural arch in the back that we talked about earlier. Keep your arms straight and never shrug the weight up. The depth of your body should be close to the depth of a squat.

Drive the weight up along your shins by pushing through your feet while straightening the back. Be sure to maintain the arch in the back as much as possible during the lift.

Once you stand up with the weight thrust your hips in as you lean back with the weight and pull your shoulders back.

Rep and repeat.

Most people like to use a weightlifting belt to make sure their lower back is safe. This is especially advisable when going heavy(5 reps or less) and maxing. Belts work by constricting your midsection so that it becomes hard to have bad form, while it is still possible it's harder to do. A belt can help increase your strength and increases inter abdominal activity.

Wrist straps can also be worn to increase grip strength. But grip training should be do so that you aren't dependent on the straps and so that your grip becomes stronger.

The muscles targetted by the deadlift are numerous. The list includes, rectus abdominis, obliques, hamstrings, glutes, erector spinae, quads, soleus gastrocnemius, rhomboids, upper and middle traps.

For an image of how to perform the conventional deadlift look here: Conventional Deadlift.

In powerlifting competitions deadlifts are one of the "big three" compound exercises you will perform. The others being bench press and squats. Different contests have different rules regarding lock out and the assistance of belts. Make sure to look into the specific rules of the competition you're interested in competing in. The deadlift is a great exercise that should be in everyone's training routine. Now that you know how to do it there's no excuse no to.

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Old 06-30-2009, 07:58 PM   #2
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It's not quite done I just wanted to post it cuz there's a huge thunderstorm here and I don't want the power to go out and I lose everything I just typed. I'll finish up.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:47 AM   #3
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There we go revised and ready.
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Nice post. You don't see many people doing deadlifts now. Done correctly it is a very productive exercise.
 
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:11 AM   #5
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Thanks, we're in the process of making at least a bench and a squat one too.
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what about sldl?
 
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Old 07-02-2009, 12:41 PM   #7
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Would you SLDL in a powerlifting contest?
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your post said "everything i could possibly say about deadlifts". i wasn't aware your goal was specifically deadlifts for powerlifting competitions.
 
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Yeah it's specifically for the powerlifting forum. I'll throw in some SLDLs though give me a fwe minutes.
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Ah crap nevermind I can't edit it anymore.
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I dont mind skipping my arm workout now and then but i love squatting and deadlifting!
 
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I really should start deadlifting :/

So many hormones to be released
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You'll fine like a new man for the rest of the day and into your work out on the next day. And so starts the pattern of progress, hormones really do help a lot if you have them right.
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I love how dead lifts get you "the look" when you are in the gym..."Oh, I'm sorry, am I grunting too loud? It's just that picking up 495 lbs off of the ground is a little bit taxing, and I feel the need to exert built up pressure in the form of a grunt..."

wonder why NO ONE else does them? -->must be hatin'
 
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haha yeah one time i skipped 4th period and went to the gym downtown to workout and there was a bunch of fitness college kids in there on their stability balls and doing endless ab exercises and i started to deadlift. sure enough i ended up breaking the cheap ass bar at the end of the workout, haha i was going pretty hard. and i cycle in SLDL's with other stuff into my training and theyve really helped me to get my deadlift up alot. adversity is key! i rarely do normal deadlifts, only do them once in a while to test for a 1rm to see if everything im doing is making it go up. i plan on competing in powerlifting next year. caught the bug after i purchased louie simmons book. havent done a bodybuilding workout in months and my lifts keep going up and up. love it lol
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i only deadlift 200 pounds i feel small lol
 
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Dude, at least you deadlift :] This exercise is the most neglected one, next to squats, pull ups, and BB rows.
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Is there any sort of relation in deadlift strength and squat strength?

My deadlift has increased by at least 50 lb this past half year but my squats have been stuck at more or less the same place as when I started
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yes i think there is. i use sumo stances in both and its somewhat the same motion. just a quick movement of the hips. my deadlift goes up it helps push my squat up. and if you want your squat to go up try box squatting. at graduation i was pushing a 315 x 3 box squat. grad was only a couple months ago. now im pushing a 370 x 3. i expect to be at 405 pretty soon which is my goal. then 455 etc etc. stop squatting and doing ****ty leg exercises like extensions and legpresses if you want a big squat. try good mornings, box squats, sumo stances, the list is endless. well not really endless but you get my point
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Is there any sort of relation in deadlift strength and squat strength?

My deadlift has increased by at least 50 lb this past half year but my squats have been stuck at more or less the same place as when I started
Are you painfully sore the next day? Are you sore at all the next day? Probably overtraining, take it easy and the gains will come. I've been doing only one set that's difficult per squat workout, my last set, I've made huuuge gains.

Gonna go try to pick up 370 today for a new PB wish me luck haha.
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Impressive weight. Good luck!
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Well after the 300lbs for 9 I was a little beat so I just did 345 for 1 and then 360 for one. I'll hit up 370 after my deload.
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Guys, compliments i am impressed by your strength - i do 5 x 8 x 120 kg (265lbs) - and I really need 2 minutes between sets to catch breath. If I really push myself using dropsets I might be able to go for 130kg (285lbs) - but that's it if I go any heavier I just cannot get it off the floor (however once it is off the floor I will always manage to get at least 6 reps). With all other exercise you can go heavier and get a couple of reps, not with DL. Is this normal?
 
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Guys, compliments i am impressed by your strength - i do 5 x 8 x 120 kg (265lbs) - and I really need 2 minutes between sets to catch breath. If I really push myself using dropsets I might be able to go for 130kg (285lbs) - but that's it if I go any heavier I just cannot get it off the floor (however once it is off the floor I will always manage to get at least 6 reps). With all other exercise you can go heavier and get a couple of reps, not with DL. Is this normal?

You should get someone to check your lifting form. My guess would be on your first rep you are squating down low but with the following reps you are not bending the legs so much so the following reps feel easier. You should spread the load between your legs and back muscles.
 
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You should get someone to check your lifting form. My guess would be on your first rep you are squating down low but with the following reps you are not bending the legs so much so the following reps feel easier. You should spread the load between your legs and back muscles.
Monkeybiker, you might be right - here is another idea: the weights are rubber coated and I train on a rubber floor - so I guess the last 1-2 inches on descent I bounce the weight of the floor.

Here is another question: do you use special trousers for deadlift? If I use shorts, I often get bruises on my knees as I keep the weight very close to my legs - is this normal?
 
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Guys, compliments i am impressed by your strength - i do 5 x 8 x 120 kg (265lbs) - and I really need 2 minutes between sets to catch breath. If I really push myself using dropsets I might be able to go for 130kg (285lbs) - but that's it if I go any heavier I just cannot get it off the floor (however once it is off the floor I will always manage to get at least 6 reps). With all other exercise you can go heavier and get a couple of reps, not with DL. Is this normal?
When trying to go heavy dropsets are a bad idea. It takes 3-5 minutes for the creatine system to be optimaly recovered for the next set. This is why powerlifters take more time between sets.

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Monkeybiker, you might be right - here is another idea: the weights are rubber coated and I train on a rubber floor - so I guess the last 1-2 inches on descent I bounce the weight of the floor.

Here is another question: do you use special trousers for deadlift? If I use shorts, I often get bruises on my knees as I keep the weight very close to my legs - is this normal?
Set down the barbell and treat each rep as it's own, readjust grip and such. I always wear a comfortable pair of basketball shorts. Just something comfortable I can move in. I drag the weight up my shins but not my knees. Do you start with the barbell touches the shins or an inch or so away?
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Monkeybiker, you might be right - here is another idea: the weights are rubber coated and I train on a rubber floor - so I guess the last 1-2 inches on descent I bounce the weight of the floor.

Here is another question: do you use special trousers for deadlift? If I use shorts, I often get bruises on my knees as I keep the weight very close to my legs - is this normal?

I had a hunt on youtube and found this video
YouTube - HOW TO DEADLIFT!

The bruises you get on your knees are probably when you lower the weight you bend your knees too early. He talks about this in the last couple of minutes of the video and he also talks about squating down too low.

You are correct in keeping the weight close to your legs because if the weight moves forward it increases the force on your back and makes the lift less efficient and you also risk injury.
 
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When trying to go heavy dropsets are a bad idea. It takes 3-5 minutes for the creatine system to be optimaly recovered for the next set. This is why powerlifters take more time between sets.



Set down the barbell and treat each rep as it's own, readjust grip and such. I always wear a comfortable pair of basketball shorts. Just something comfortable I can move in. I drag the weight up my shins but not my knees. Do you start with the barbell touches the shins or an inch or so away?
Mike, thanks a lot for these tips - i'll try to set down the weights - maybe a sumo stance further helps. when I do deadlift I wear long trainers as I usually keep the bar very close to my legs and esp during down-ward movement bruise my legs. This happens sometimes when getting close to the knees (and with heavy weights). When starting the lift the bar is indeed about 1 inch from my legs.
 
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If I may add one thing - boxing, this means when you lift you have to pull your shoulders blades back and put tension on your abs. You create a sort of box of your upper body which helps you to lift using legs and lower back.
 
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