[sowmyabhattacharya]

Hey Amigos!!
How r yoll!!
ok, now ta business.
When i try deadlifts, i.e., conventional and straight off the floor, my bar brushes against my knees. Also, i feel myself loosin balance when i let the weight go down the floor. If it helps, i have stiff adductors and hamstrings.

ALL HAIL POWERLIFTING!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEnd44]

theres a whole thread on this somewhere on the site, try searching for it.

when you say losing balance, i assume you mean falling forward off of your heels..when descending with the bar, try your hardest to keep your chin/chest up with back straight/slightly arched and keep your weight on your heels...should help greatly.

as for rubbing against your knees, its going to happen..a good DL'er with good form will rub the bar against his knees..this may not be the case 100% of the time, bc there are some variables thrown in...the heavier the weight youre using, the more inclined youre going to be to keep the weight close to your body (hence, rubbing against your shins, knees, thighs, etc.)..the degree to which you hit your knees can also be affected by the ratio of length of the shin portion of your leg (lower) to the femur portion of your leg (upper) - and that may have little fluctuation from person to person, but it can make a difference..if you have longer lower legs, clearly you may bounce off/ride up your knee a little more than someone whom does not..

hope that sheds a little light on this for you.

[EastCoast Highlander]

Originally Posted by DEnd44

theres a whole thread on this somewhere on the site, try searching for it.

when you say losing balance, i assume you mean falling forward off of your heels..when descending with the bar, try your hardest to keep your chin/chest up with back straight/slightly arched and keep your weight on your heels...should help greatly.

as for rubbing against your knees, its going to happen..a good DL'er with good form will rub the bar against his knees..this may not be the case 100% of the time, bc there are some variables thrown in...the heavier the weight youre using, the more inclined youre going to be to keep the weight close to your body (hence, rubbing against your shins, knees, thighs, etc.)..the degree to which you hit your knees can also be affected by the ratio of length of the shin portion of your leg (lower) to the femur portion of your leg (upper) - and that may have little fluctuation from person to person, but it can make a difference..if you have longer lower legs, clearly you may bounce off/ride up your knee a little more than someone whom does not..

hope that sheds a little light on this for you.

well man ill have to disagree on one thing....he asked in this section so he prolly doesnt give a damn about bodybuilding...anyways...rubbing is gonna happen .... cant be a strongman if you cant deadlift so stick to it even if youre bleeding

[islander]

sounds like mabey your rounding your shoulders and or not keeping your backstraight when your coming down..have someone that knows what there doing watch you to pin point where your going wrong sounds like a form issuse

[sowmyabhattacharya]

did i forget to mention that i am a certified trainer myself? if me, being one of the best from the institute has probs, imagine the rest of the trainers. a few have no clue bout wtf dey r doin. as for bodybuilding, i tried to get big, but i didnt get too damn good. so, if i cant get much bigger, why dont i get stronger? and my back is flat at the bottom with my scapulae pinched back. my bak is not arched a 100% of the time, but its flat.

[sowmyabhattacharya]

oh, n 1 more thing, i fall back not forward

[DEnd44]

sniffing...fishy...sniffing..

[islander]

i actually wondered that. i know alot of stretching is not looked well apon now before working out. but for deads i think its necessary. esp even stuff like ankles, calfs.. not just hamstrings. mabey check right before your deads how loose and flexible you actually are. or mabey a little bit of a inner ear thing.

[mabo]

My best advice is to get a few of your working sets on tape and from a couple of different angles. It's hard to give you good advice without seeing you deadlift.

When you see yourself lifting on tape you might even be able to pick out what's going wrong yourself.

[sowmyabhattacharya]

inner ear thing? as for the tapes, the gym manager is a bitch. doesnt matter what i do, he is always up in my face, so no tapes.

[islander]

ya your balance.. equilibrium.. inner ear. mabey you have some problem you dont know about. you bend over when deadlifting and something might be shifting in your ear. you could have scar tissuse from a old ear infection that cuases you lose lose a minute bit of balance at a certain spot on your lift.

[DEnd44]

Originally Posted by islander

ya your balance.. equilibrium.. inner ear. mabey you have some problem you dont know about. you bend over when deadlifting and something might be shifting in your ear. you could have scar tissuse from a old ear infection that cuases you lose lose a minute bit of balance at a certain spot on your lift.

i would have to assume he'd encounter this at other points in his day that would throw red flags up, so id count that out..these all seem like worthwhile suggestions, but honestly, how can one manage to fall 'backwards' while deadlifting? physically, if you put a weight in front of you on the floor - and it is either too heavy for you to lift or you simply lose your balance while bending to pick it up - 99.999% of the time you would fall forward off of your heels and onto your toes at least, possibly taking a nosedive...im trying, but cant fathom how this could happen.

[islander]

Originally Posted by sowmyabhattacharya

did i forget to mention that i am a certified trainer myself? if me, being one of the best from the institute has probs, imagine the rest of the trainers. a few have no clue bout wtf dey r doin. as for bodybuilding, i tried to get big, but i didnt get too damn good. so, if i cant get much bigger, why dont i get stronger? and my back is flat at the bottom with my scapulae pinched back. my bak is not arched a 100% of the time, but its flat.

after looking at your pics and going back and reading this i really doubt any of this is true. . 'i tried to get big' 'im the best' but you couldnt 'get any bigger' please. why do people pretend to be trainers and **** on here.

Originally Posted by DEnd44

i would have to assume he'd encounter this at other points in his day that would throw red flags up, so id count that out..these all seem like worthwhile suggestions, but honestly, how can one manage to fall 'backwards' while deadlifting? physically, if you put a weight in front of you on the floor - and it is either too heavy for you to lift or you simply lose your balance while bending to pick it up - 99.999% of the time you would fall forward off of your heels and onto your toes at least, possibly taking a nosedive...im trying, but cant fathom how this could happen.

lol you were right when you said fishy i was like whats dead talkin about.

[DEnd44]

yeah, well..lets just say i was trying to put that notion out there, um...in a fashion a little less blunt than you did..lol

but, seriously..i mean cmon...if thats not grade-A BS, then im ronnie coleman...

and um, last i checked im not ronnie coleman..lol.

[islander]

ya i worded my opinion to a nicer tone. damn im so cynical and mean today what the hell. seems to be alot whiners bull****ers on the internet in the last couple days. waste of time, so annoying. 'i fall over when i do deads' well your form my be off... ' well did i mention im a pro...' suuuck it.

[DEnd44]

Originally Posted by sowmyabhattacharya

did i forget to mention that i am a certified trainer myself?

Originally Posted by sowmyabhattacharya

if me, being one of the best from the institute has probs, imagine the rest of the trainers. a few have no clue bout wtf dey r doin.

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Originally Posted by sowmyabhattacharya

as for bodybuilding, i tried to get big, but i didnt get too damn good. so, if i cant get much bigger, why dont i get stronger?

Originally Posted by sowmyabhattacharya

and my back is flat at the bottom with my scapulae pinched back. my bak is not arched a 100% of the time, but its flat.

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[DEnd44]

Originally Posted by islander

ya i worded my opinion to a nicer tone. damn im so cynical and mean today what the hell. seems to be alot whiners bull****ers on the internet in the last couple days. waste of time, so annoying. 'i fall over when i do deads' well your form my be off... ' well did i mention im a pro...' suuuck it.

yeah i know..dunno why people BS, to make themselves feel better? if so, not on our watch LOL..

[sowmyabhattacharya]

yeah sure, m bullin around.
ear infection, yeah, i had a major 1 about a year back.
i said d stuff to point out dat ders not any one wid a lot of experience in my gym
trust me, i m nt 1 of d kinda guys whus got tym ta bs around on forums like dis. mayb u didnt have d same prob s i do, but m nt a lyin sob!!
only when i m goin on d ecentric portion of the lift and have my hip to about knee level do i face d prob.

[DEnd44]

if youre gripping the weight tightly..

and you have tight adductors/hamstrings as you said..

youre right, you would run into a problem on the eccentric portion of the lift..the problem would be that you couldnt extend to a lockout position, let alone fall backwards..please dude.

[sowmyabhattacharya]

WOW!!!!!!!!!
some help i got!!
thanx u guys!!!

[mabo]

I'm a bit confused as to what's going on in this thread.

What's so hard to believe about falling backwards when you're trying to deadlift? Seems common enough to me for people with flexibility issues.

Explain again why you can't get yourself on video deadlifting?

[DEnd44]

i can see someone falling back due to various flexibility issues if they were doing something such as body squats, or something of the like..but when deadlifting, the weight counterbalances you..if you are using a weight that you can at least grip, your flexibility issues would result in you either getting stuck (not being able to lock out) or rounding your back.

in which case, either:
1. stretch
2. stop trying to stroke your ego and drop the weight to something you can handle

[EastCoast Highlander]

Originally Posted by DEnd44

i can see someone falling back due to various flexibility issues if they were doing something such as body squats, or something of the like..but when deadlifting, the weight counterbalances you..if you are using a weight that you can at least grip, your flexibility issues would result in you either getting stuck (not being able to lock out) or rounding your back.

in which case, either:
1. stretch
2. stop trying to stroke your ego and drop the weight to something you can handle

[sowmyabhattacharya]

Originally Posted by mabo

I'm a bit confused as to what's going on in this thread.

What's so hard to believe about falling backwards when you're trying to deadlift? Seems common enough to me for people with flexibility issues.

Explain again why you can't get yourself on video deadlifting?

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!
as for ur question, thing is, my gym has a lot of celeb members who like their privacy. plus there are security reasons and lastly, its just rude to intrude on other people's privacy.
dat was just about all the reasons my gym manager gave me.

also, let me clearify-i can use 135 lbs of iron for upto a max of 2 or so reps.
keep in mind, that i m using 45 lbs plates. its only at the point when the plates are 2-3 inches off the floor do i get my prob.

[Fat Dave]

How about a real dead lift question.

What is the consensus about dead lifts being a back or a leg exercise?

Should I do regular dead lifts on back days and stiff legged dead lifts on leg days? Or can I just do regulars and call it both legs and back???

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by sowmyabhattacharya

yeah sure, m bullin around.
ear infection, yeah, i had a major 1 about a year back.

to point out dat ders not any one wid a lot of experience in my gym
trust me, i m nt 1 of d kinda guys whus got tym ta bs around on forums like

dis. mayb u didnt have d same prob s i do, but m nt a lyin sob!!
only when i m goin on d ecentric face d prob.

i hope you do not speak like you type, what is up with the spelling bro,, **** check out the spell checker...

[mf612]

135 pounds? maybe this is just a bit too heavy for your badass self. try going lighter.

[mabo]

It's really hard to tell what's wrong without seeing you. You can't just go for a casual visit at another gym and get a mate to take a video?

What's you're build like in terms of limb lengths? Long arms, long legs, short torso etc.

How wide is your stance?

What about squatting, are you able to do that easily enough?

You've already identified your hamstrings as a problem, so diligent stretching should help with that.

Other than that it's hard to say more without seeing the problem, other than keep practicing.

Good luck mate.

[sowmyabhattacharya]

Originally Posted by mabo

It's really hard to tell what's wrong without seeing you. You can't just go for a casual visit at another gym and get a mate to take a video?

What's you're build like in terms of limb lengths? Long arms, long legs, short torso etc.

How wide is your stance?

What about squatting, are you able to do that easily enough?

You've already identified your hamstrings as a problem, so diligent stretching should help with that.

Other than that it's hard to say more without seeing the problem, other than keep practicing.

Good luck mate.

squat 3rm- 185 lbs with stance wider than hips width
dl stance- hips width, legs perpendicular to the ground.
going to another gym- might, but it is gonna take some time
build-average lime length. Endo-mesomorphic bone structure

[DEnd44]

Originally Posted by sowmyabhattacharya

squat 3rm- 185 lbs with stance wider than hips width
dl stance- hips width, legs perpendicular to the ground.
going to another gym- might, but it is gonna take some time
build-average lime length. Endo-mesomorphic bone structure

so, you squat (push) 185 for 3 reps..but you deadlift (pull) 135 for a max?..i mean call me crazy, but theres really a slim shot thats possible..not being a douche, its just i feel that weeding out the riff-raff on this site is never a bad idea..whatever, im done here..cheers to all.