[islander]

you didnt say porno. How many people does that employ? Same goes for video games people involved is minimal compared to factory jobs or mines or mills. If those are your top three no wonder your in trouble. What do you guys export? I know your oranges are pretty good. I would agree with the entertainment movies take lot of people.

[HERCULES_1]

Originally Posted by mitbar

i personally think we will pull out of this, however it will come back around farther down the road to bit us in the butt with all the money the governemnet is spendin.

I am not being sarcastic, but could you tell me what industries exist or will be developed to get america out of its current state?

During americas depression it was a focusing on internal issues that brought america out of the depression. In particular america involving itself in WWII and the need to make military armaments, ships, tanks, bombs, vehicles etc etc put the whole country back to work. Today america is over burdened with SURPLUS armaments so the need to employ millions in manufacturing is impossible...add to this many of americas armaments are made in Taiwan and Korea (believe it or not). Give me some idea of what industries that could be created to bring america out of its state..and keep in mind what ever these industries are they must produce products which can be sold to the rest of the world...america can not focus just on itself in this case in order to recover.

[HERCULES_1]

Originally Posted by Chuck

the ameros is what is coming, countries are already getting ready to ditch their currency and start over with a new one. The countries are mainly eastern europe, russia, and I think, japan, and china might be in it, would have to check. since other countries economies are collapsing. the US is kept out of this one. I keep up with this stuff everyday, 99% of the country don't realize what is happening. let me know if you want some good sites to go to.

Post the sites...I think it is good for people to know these things

[HERCULES_1]

Originally Posted by EastCoast Highlander

Revolution anyone? Governments need to remember that they are OUR employees, we are not their slaves. Sometimes they must be reminded.

You are right in saying this IF you live in a DEMOCRACY. Sadly most in america don't realize they DON'T live in a democracy but rather a REPUBLIC where the only democratic thing is the ability to vote. After that the masses have NO SAY in what goes on...as everyone now sees. When has the desires of the masses been respected? Who asked YOU if you wanted TRILLIONS given away in bailouts? If you were asked would you have said YES? Did the government ask you to get involved in the attack on Iraq? Afghanistan? Did they ask the public about giving away 400 million to Iran reccently to try and destabilize the government? Truth of the matter is the constitution is as Bush said...A GOD DAMNED PIECE OF PAPER that has about as much respect shown to it as the garbage thrown out last night. With no respect for the constitution, there is NO respect for the masses an their opinions or desires. Herein is why america is in the state it is in and why things will get worst as long as the opinion of the people are not adhered to..

Now how do you propose getting government REMINDED of their place?

[mitbar]

Originally Posted by HERCULES_1

I am not being sarcastic, but could you tell me what industries exist or will be developed to get america out of its current state?

During americas depression it was a focusing on internal issues that brought america out of the depression. In particular america involving itself in WWII and the need to make military armaments, ships, tanks, bombs, vehicles etc etc put the whole country back to work. Today america is over burdened with SURPLUS armaments so the need to employ millions in manufacturing is impossible...add to this many of americas armaments are made in Taiwan and Korea (believe it or not). Give me some idea of what industries that could be created to bring america out of its state..and keep in mind what ever these industries are they must produce products which can be sold to the rest of the world...america can not focus just on itself in this case in order to recover.

nah man im not going to get into a pissing match over my opinion and give out examples...that is my opinion....we have pulled out before and i belive we will again nuff said.

P.S. if you dont like living in america move to sweden.

[HERCULES_1]

Originally Posted by mitbar

nah man im not going to get into a pissing match over my opinion and give out examples...that is my opinion....we have pulled out before and i belive we will again nuff said.

P.S. if you dont like living in america move to sweden.

Mit sadly you did exactly what I hoped you would not, which is to get an attitude and then end with some smart A** remark. This is why I said "I am not being sarcastic when I say what industries exist or could be created that will bring america out of its current state". What is so difficuolt about answering or trying to answer that?

I seriously wanted to know what is on your and/or other readers minds in regards to trying to turn a country around...instead you offer up the american attitude. Where did that come from?

By the way Sweden and many other nations are far and away better off than america, maybe america would do well to follow in the footsteps of Britain, scandinavian countries, Japan, China in many regards such as livable wages, universal healthcare, free to low cost higher education etc. Focusing on the main resource of a nation...ITS PEOPLE, is the most imporrtant thing a country can do. The outsourcing for cheap labor and low quality goods, the ridiculously expensive health care, the lack of or ridiculously high cost of education, concern for making sure the minimums of life can be had by all by regulating EXCESSIVENESS in greed and gouging could have kept america fromits present state....but maybe suffering the ills of such a mindset aand system is the best way to make a nation, a government and a people learn....

See how easy that was!!!...No piss matches

[mitbar]

nah man i think you have way to many conspiracy theories in your head..you believe what you want and i will believe what i want...thats the beauty of me living in america i have that right. but in all seriousness i am proud of my country and what it does i dont sit around and bitch bitch bitch about **** i cant control which is exactly what your doing....like i said if you have such a problem with the american way then move to another country and see if the grass is greener buddy. yes i had an attitude cause to me its annoying when an american citizen can sit here and bitch this way about an econmy and the way a goverment opperates. now if you back obama then get ready for socialism buddy thats what he is basically trying to do with all his bs health care reforms and spending money like an idiot. bush got us here and obama is digging the hole deeper....**** now you got me riled up lol...i cant talk polotics it upsets me...i wont be back to this thread.

[HERCULES_1]

Originally Posted by mitbar

nah man i think you have way to many conspiracy theories in your head..you believe what you want and i will believe what i want...thats the beauty of me living in america i have that right. but in all seriousness i am proud of my country and what it does i dont sit around and bitch bitch bitch about **** i cant control which is exactly what your doing....like i said if you have such a problem with the american way then move to another country and see if the grass is greener buddy. yes i had an attitude cause to me its annoying when an american citizen can sit here and bitch this way about an econmy and the way a goverment opperates. now if you back obama then get ready for socialism buddy thats what he is basically trying to do with all his bs health care reforms and spending money like an idiot. bush got us here and obama is digging the hole deeper....**** now you got me riled up lol...i cant talk polotics it upsets me...i wont be back to this thread.

WOW...the danger of being 12 and naive. I guess I better wait for the adults to respond to the question....

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by islander

you didnt say porno. How many people does that employ? Same goes for video games people involved is minimal compared to factory jobs or mines or mills. If those are your top three no wonder your in trouble. What do you guys export? I know your oranges are pretty good. I would agree with the entertainment movies take lot of people.

I didnt mean those are the top for the country, I just meant those are the top three that came to my head. Each of these industries are multi billion dollar industries. But i'll quote something out of wikipedia for the best exports.

Exports $1.283 trillion
industrial supplies, 29.8%
production machinery, 29.5%
non-auto consumer goods, 12.4%
motor vehicles and parts, 9.3%; food,
feed and beverages, 8.3%
aircraft and parts, 6.6%
other, 4.1%


As for the video game industry State's video game industry ranks second in employees It seems at one point 2 years ago the video game industry was the second highest employing field that was available there.

[mitbar]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

I didnt mean those are the top for the country, I just meant those are the top three that came to my head. Each of these industries are multi billion dollar industries. But i'll quote something out of wikipedia for the best exports.

Exports $1.283 trillion
industrial supplies, 29.8%
production machinery, 29.5%
non-auto consumer goods, 12.4%
motor vehicles and parts, 9.3%; food,
feed and beverages, 8.3%
aircraft and parts, 6.6%
other, 4.1%


As for the video game industry State's video game industry ranks second in employees It seems at one point 2 years ago the video game industry was the second highest employing field that was available there.

video games are about the only thing that hasnt taken a huge hit, there sales actually went up for a while there.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by mitbar

video games are about the only thing that hasnt taken a huge hit, there sales actually went up for a while there.

Yeah, especially for what it costs someone out of the US to buy a game made here.

[RAGEN2008]

Originally Posted by EastCoast Highlander

legalizing weed is not exactly a priority...

Considering it is a multi-billion dollar industry I'd have to disagree. Look at our economy, it is dog ****.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by RAGEN2008

Considering it is a multi-billion dollar industry I'd have to disagree. Look at our economy, it is dog ****.

I guess at this point its a matter of whether or not there needs to be an anti-drug section of america against the pro-drug portion. Then for all the hassle if its worth the money. In any case its not like the drug dealers themselves are all foreign and spend the money outside the country. There are alot of cases where there are Americans selling to other Americans and in turn spending the money they make on American products.

At any rate, the answer to making the economy better doesn't always lay with increasing the gross revenue, cutting imports could bring a lot of money in.

[hotdoggy]

Originally Posted by HERCULES_1

WOW...the danger of being 12 and naive. I guess I better wait for the adults to respond to the question....

Wow…Mit is right on buddy, I am certainly not 12, and have lived in 4 different countries, spent time in 7 others. I guess you could say that my life experience would tend to make me..not naïve.
Maybe it comes down to people doing for themselves not the Government… You know the old saying
“ I am from the Government and here to help”

[kenney]

The Amero is a very real prospect and it brings many advantages to (the rich) America. Since the NAFTA deal came into practice, the US, Canada and Mexico have been working on introducing the Amero. A peasant uprising occured because of the NAFTA - see EZLN. To summarize it, it is basically another "rich become incredibly rich, poor become incredibly poor" scheme. The mexicans work for next to nothing, and the goods are imported with pretty much no charge because of the North American FREE TRADE Agreement. American workers lose jobs, and Mexican peasants are given no real ambitions in life. I dont think the Amero will replace the Dollar anytime soon though because (from what i can gather), alot of Americans are livid about the Mexicans immigrating to the US and are chanting nationalism

[RAGEN2008]

I did a report on NAFTA in college years back, we gained more jobs than we lost from the trade agreement. Canada and Mexico are places we export a good amount to. Either way a lot of jobs were lost. I don't know what the trend is today, but obviously a lot of companies are setting up shop out of the country to save money and make money on cheap labor and services.

The bad thing is we lose business in the USA and move companies out of the country, then sell us the goods back, so we're importing a lot more and exports are down.

I don't think multiple country currency is good since you'd have a lot of issues with counterfeiting.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by kenney

The Amero is a very real prospect and it brings many advantages to (the rich) America. Since the NAFTA deal came into practice, the US, Canada and Mexico have been working on introducing the Amero. A peasant uprising occured because of the NAFTA - see EZLN. To summarize it, it is basically another "rich become incredibly rich, poor become incredibly poor" scheme. The mexicans work for next to nothing, and the goods are imported with pretty much no charge because of the North American FREE TRADE Agreement. American workers lose jobs, and Mexican peasants are given no real ambitions in life. I dont think the Amero will replace the Dollar anytime soon though because (from what i can gather), alot of Americans are livid about the Mexicans immigrating to the US and are chanting nationalism

It's more of the illegal immigration that takes place. The real problem with that is the crime that is associated with that. Drug trafficking, human trafficking. Then the hundreds of thousands of illegals that wind up in our jail system. The US really should enforced forced labor on illegal aliens that wind up as criminals.

[RAGEN2008]

There are tons of illegal aliens in Fed jail. Just think we also pay 25k or so a year for one person to be in jail cause they crossed the border. When you add those up it's a lot worse than some illegal making minimum wage at some crappy job no one wants to do anyways.

I think repeated bus tickets out of the country are cheaper than putting someone in jail for a year when they come back sooner or later anyways.

I've seen people get 3 or 4 years for their second offense for crossing the border. That's 75-100k we spend on one person, that's insane.

[kenney]

Ye thomas, we have the same issue, alot of illegal eastern europeans/asians. The sad thing about it is, they create a terrible name for immigrants that genuinely want to immigrate to work and feed their family. Britain's Neo-Nazi Party (British National Party) is gaining alot of support because of that.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by RAGEN2008

There are tons of illegal aliens in Fed jail. Just think we also pay 25k or so a year for one person to be in jail cause they crossed the border. When you add those up it's a lot worse than some illegal making minimum wage at some crappy job no one wants to do anyways.

I think repeated bus tickets out of the country are cheaper than putting someone in jail for a year when they come back sooner or later anyways.

I've seen people get 3 or 4 years for their second offense for crossing the border. That's 75-100k we spend on one person, that's insane.

One plus to jailing people is that its a business, the jail needs to higher qualified guards, pay for transportation, pay for food, electricity, thousands of workers. It does recycle money back into the system, but at the cost of higher taxes. My problem is when they come in as drug mules, come in and cause crime, generally when they create an unwelcome burden.

Originally Posted by kenney

Ye thomas, we have the same issue, alot of illegal eastern europeans/asians. The sad thing about it is, they create a terrible name for immigrants that genuinely want to immigrate to work and feed their family. Britain's Neo-Nazi Party (British National Party) is gaining alot of support because of that.

They do create a bad image, there are alot of hard working people that go through the legal route. Once a person enters a country illegally, they are a criminal.

[RAGEN2008]

I just have a problem seeing us pay 25k a year for one person because someone had a pound of weed in their car. Is it really worth us spending 50k? It's not like we will ever stop the drug problem, it's probably a trillion dollar a year industry, when you factor alcohol, prescription and illegal drugs.

Hell screw a prison make it giant farm land and let them pick food everyday instead of sitting in a cell watching tv lol. Free food, free health care, free place to sleep and shower, tv, hell being in jail is better than some peoples countries.

[Thomas_Rivera]

I wouldn't exactly feel comfortable with prisoners picking my food. Having them produce other objects, sure. As far as immigration goes, I say force them to build fences to keep others out.

[RAGEN2008]

You mean the fence with like 2,000 holes cut into it already lol?

Sorry to say but that had to be the dumbest idea and biggest waste of money ever. You walk up to this fence where no one is guarding it and cut it with wire cutters then cross the border.

As far as not feeling safe having prisoners pick your food, it is illegal to enter the country, so you actually have wanted criminals picking your food already, wanted criminal vs. convicted illegal, um not much difference lol.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Not all food is handpicked though, most food is picked via machinery. Ok forget the fence, great wall of southern USA. Air conditioned guard posts on top of the walls with a few men every few thousand feet with rifles to snipe out illegals.

[RAGEN2008]

I live in Southern California, trust me out here a ton of food is hand picked. You can't help but see 50-100 people bent over picking the stuff.