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Old 10-10-2008, 11:03 AM   #31
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My wife was in the real estate development industry as well. Let me tell you this, a lot of people in that industry new this was coming. Most of the real estate offices that closed late 07 and early 08 did not close because of financial hardship. A lot of them had saved and new that the there industry was going to take a hit. In past events most take this time off and live off of savings until the industry provides opportunity again.
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Being in construction I've seen it first hand that the housing market has taken a ****. If you have the money nows the time to buy up all the foreclosed houses but I don't have it right now..lol.. When I bought my hose last year the agent told me that his sales were down 50% from the year before and it wasn't because he was slacking either. The economy sucks now but it'll come back around in the next few years, it always does.
 
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Being in construction I've seen it first hand that the housing market has taken a ****. If you have the money nows the time to buy up all the foreclosed houses but I don't have it right now..lol.. When I bought my hose last year the agent told me that his sales were down 50% from the year before and it wasn't because he was slacking either. The economy sucks now but it'll come back around in the next few years, it always does.
Yeah, also a maijor contributor is how difficult it is to get aproved. Everday tons of people are trying to buy homes but 1 out of 10 can get financed. With good credit. Just an example, I bought a foreclosed home this Jan with 20% down great credit and still found it hard to get approved through Bank of America. We had to go over terms 2 or 3 times before we were able to submit the application. One of the things was over a 700 dollar debt I completely forgot about when I was in the military and I had to pay that before they would even consider my APP. Strict yes, as should be.
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Oh I agree they should have been that strict years ago and we wouldn't be in such a mess now. Hell I'm self employed and had to jumo through hoops to get approved when I bought my house. I only payed 35,000 for it to and they still gave me a hell of a time. They called the irs to see if I really filed taxes, i was like no don't call them..lol.. don't need any attention drawn my way..lol.. But it's to bad it takes a **** economy for them to open their eyes. Now we have to bail them out and there's no way of telling where this money they're getting is actually going to go. Most likely half will be used and the other half will go in their pockets.
 
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yeah i am trying to buy a house in the next 4 months and we have close to 20% down and man its hard to get approved and we have good credit. here is spokane there is a abundance of houses and the prices are dropping like rocks.
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Like I said this is the time to buy because the price drop now means a lot of equity in the near future. Word of advice have as much money in your bank account as possible. They wanted to see my yearly average of mine. And make sure it's in the contract that the sellers are responsible for any back taxes or utilities or anything past due to the property. I hope it works out for you though and you get one. A hose is the biggest investment you will ever have and the sooner you pay it off the sooner you can look into buying other things.
 
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agree. Renting is a huge market right now. That what were trying to do is buy and rent. Were looking at some more property out in Temecula Ca and even Corona. Brand new houses that havent sold since they were built in 07 giong for 400. Asking price in 07 was 680 with upgrades. Also I have seen tons of 2005 models in foreclosure.
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Foreclosures are everywhere. I wish I was a millionaire now because in 10 years I would be a multimillionaire..haha.. But I'm not so I won't..lol.. Smart move on your part though TO so good luck with it all!
 
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Thanks bro. Donald Trump said it best himself when he agreed that now is the time to buy. Property that you thought you could never afford is now a possibilty. In some cases you may even have an opportunity to get a huge deal and help someone out and hunt for short sales.
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I'd be willing to bet short sales are huge right now also. Good point.
 
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im a veteran and respect all the things Americans past have done, but im not proud to be an american anymore. i thought i would never say that either. very depressing that america is not even a shadow of its former self


Could not agree more! While I am not a veteran, i definitely share your point of view. Where is the country that I learned about in school? I am thinking it is time to overthrow that ****!
 
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Could not agree more! While I am not a veteran, i definitely share your point of view. Where is the country that I learned about in school? I am thinking it is time to overthrow that ****!
Yea but its not just hitting hard here in America, i still love this country and am proud to be an American, its our government that needs some adjustment, the good ol boys need to get out, watch those bull**** debates they just had 2 nights ago, i learned that both sides are full of ****, its all about what people want to hear then once they get in the white house, forget about all the promises they made running for office,, its total crap!! the rest of the world is having economic breakdown also,, a disaster anyplace you look.. just look at the price of a barrel of oil, now its down 50% from 5 months ago, nothing like bending and taking it ,,, thank you sir may i have another,,,
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I couldn't have said it better myself^^^^

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they are professional salesman...its all about who can make you buy something. no holds barred. the debates are a joke man.
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^^ completely agreed..they sounded like school kids going back and forth..i wanted to shut it off but was in such disbelief that i kinda went into 'train-wreck' mode where you cant look away..
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Oh yeah very true the last few posts here. Now were all on the same page. Most of these guys are full of it. The only thing were really voting on is whos bull**** can we at least gain a little from or not harm us as much. For example the last election was horrible. We knew Bush wasnt the best choice for president but IMO Kerry was even worse. Whether he would have done a better job know one will ever know but I do know watching the debates thinking are you serious? I hope at least some time in the near future we can have someone come into office that will really come in and improve things.
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totally agree TO.....its really discouraging at times.
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The only thing were really voting on is whos bull**** can we at least gain a little from or not harm us as much.
i think this is basically what goes through every voters head..bc sitting there and looking at/listening to obama and mccain the other night, all i thought was, "is this it? this is really the best we have to put forth to run our country? wow."...its sad, like being forced to choose between crabs and herpes..
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i think this is basically what goes through every voters head..bc sitting there and looking at/listening to obama and mccain the other night, all i thought was, "is this it? this is really the best we have to put forth to run our country? wow."...its sad, like being forced to choose between crabs and herpes..
I'll take the crab`s,, higher in protein...lol,, and give the herpes to the 2 *******s running for president
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^^lol

yeah that works i guess..ps was just reading through your log you had put up, good stuff...you seem very dedicated, keep on truckin..
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yeah that works i guess..ps was just reading through your log you had put up, good stuff...you seem very dedicated, keep on truckin..
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I'm so pissed that I didn't buy some good hundred bucks in summer to buy from Orbit itt was soo cheap damn now where do we had to know this?

very depressing that america is not even a shadow of its former self


****ry is only as good as its ppl. this country is way overconfident and in love with the reputation our grandfather's built.

Overconfident is the word.

America is going down this is true I know u don't like it.The bad thing and America I think is got to pay it is that is dragging,ONCE AGAIN ,Europe and rest of the world with it.

Too many mystakes caused by that,America in not powerful guys luck is that it's just geographically far from what happened in other parts of the world.
Not powerfull at all- a hand of terrorrists ****ed America up and they can do it when they want;and they wil NOT pay.

Free market also is just an other utopia that is only legit generalized slavery.No one can live in that atmosphere! The individual becomes a ware, a number..
An entire model of government and the economy has collapsed.
 
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ONly the woprse thing would be that Europe will suffer from this-Then u will see what will happen to America...

When did something that affected others affected America unless following its interests? Now i am not more against America ,I am very conscios that the worse sh^t in the world is Russia and the Middle East
They have done the most to the world as we see now,especially Russia..their level of lying and inhumanity..
What they have done will be ever forgotten?

They lied even about Hitler they found it dead soon, before the war ended,but lied to the whole world and we believed their lies for 50 years..
How many lies have they got?MAny. how many they told?Hahahaaaaaaaaaa
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ONly the woprse thing would be that Europe will suffer from this-Then u will see what will happen to America...

When did something that affected others affected America unless following its interests? Now i am not more against America ,I am very conscios that the worse sh^t in the world is Russia and the Middle East
They have done the most to the world as we see now,especially Russia..their level of lying and inhumanity..
What they have done will be ever forgotten?

They lied even about Hitler they found it dead soon, before the war ended,but lied to the whole world and we believed their lies for 50 years..
How many lies have they got?MAny. how many they told?Hahahaaaaaaaaaa
That was the first one loool
Rmemeber The submarine story few years ago?Hehe..big secrets lying down there in the deep..

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Old 10-27-2008, 09:24 PM   #55
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very depressing that america is not even a shadow of its former self


****ry is only as good as its ppl. this country is way overconfident and in love with the reputation our grandfather's built.

Overconfident is the word.

America is going down this is true I know u don't like it.The bad thing and America I think is got to pay it is that is dragging,ONCE AGAIN ,Europe and rest of the world with it.

Too many mystakes caused by that,America in not powerful guys luck is that it's just geographically far from what happened in other parts of the world.
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well i believe America is powerful, yea were confident, confident we can pretty much kicks any other country's ass!! This county has the most diverse people in all the world, if its so bad as you claim, whey do so many people from other country's from all area`s in the world come to America to live? Because its America.. What could you possibly be thinking bashing this great country?? Not a good idea coming in here bashing on other members country`s..your remarks make no sense what so ever, except to piss off the American memebers ..
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Old 10-28-2008, 10:39 AM   #56
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[QUOTE=mikeh40+;600014]well i believe America is powerful, yea were confident, confident we can pretty much kicks any other country's ass!!

You can give yourself arguments..how safe do you feel for example?


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This county has the most diverse people in all the world, if its so bad as you claim, whey do so many people from other country's from all area`s in the world come to America to live? Because its America.. What could you possibly be thinking bashing this great country?? Not a good idea coming in here bashing on other members country`s..your remarks make no sense what so ever, except to piss off the American memebers ..
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I don't bash .It is PAINFUL for me the situation..and maybe not only me
My coutry isn't economically even near as USA or other comapring,it much below..
Yes u are right a lot of people come here it's a better country than MANY

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Hehe..din't tell me that cause I don't bite it. Avoiding hearing what u don't like ,it's easy way
 
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John Gray: A shattering moment in America's fall from power | Comment is free | The Observer

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Our gaze might be on the markets melting down, but the upheaval we are experiencing is more than a financial crisis, however large. Here is a historic geopolitical shift, in which the balance of power in the world is being altered irrevocably. The era of American global leadership, reaching back to the Second World War, is over.

You can see it in the way America's dominion has slipped away in its own backyard, with Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez taunting and ridiculing the superpower with impunity. Yet the setback of America's standing at the global level is even more striking. With the nationalisation of crucial parts of the financial system, the American free-market creed has self-destructed while countries that retained overall control of markets have been vindicated. In a change as far-reaching in its implications as the fall of the Soviet Union, an entire model of government and the economy has collapsed.

Ever since the end of the Cold War, successive American administrations have lectured other countries on the necessity of sound finance. Indonesia, Thailand, Argentina and several African states endured severe cuts in spending and deep recessions as the price of aid from the International Monetary Fund, which enforced the American orthodoxy. China in particular was hectored relentlessly on the weakness of its banking system. But China's success has been based on its consistent contempt for Western advice and it is not Chinese banks that are currently going bust. How symbolic yesterday that Chinese astronauts take a spacewalk while the US Treasury Secretary is on his knees.

Despite incessantly urging other countries to adopt its way of doing business, America has always had one economic policy for itself and another for the rest of the world. Throughout the years in which the US was punishing countries that departed from fiscal prudence, it was borrowing on a colossal scale to finance tax cuts and fund its over-stretched military commitments. Now, with federal finances critically dependent on continuing large inflows of foreign capital, it will be the countries that spurned the American model of capitalism that will shape America's economic future.

Which version of the bail out of American financial institutions cobbled up by Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson and Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke is finally adopted is less important than what the bail out means for America's position in the world. The populist rant about greedy banks that is being loudly ventilated in Congress is a distraction from the true causes of the crisis. The dire condition of America's financial markets is the result of American banks operating in a free-for-all environment that these same American legislators created. It is America's political class that, by embracing the dangerously simplistic ideology of deregulation, has responsibility for the present mess.

In present circumstances, an unprecedented expansion of government is the only means of averting a market catastrophe. The consequence, however, will be that America will be even more starkly dependent on the world's new rising powers. The federal government is racking up even larger borrowings, which its creditors may rightly fear will never be repaid. It may well be tempted to inflate these debts away in a surge of inflation that would leave foreign investors with hefty losses. In these circumstances, will the governments of countries that buy large quantities of American bonds, China, the Gulf States and Russia, for example, be ready to continue supporting the dollar's role as the world's reserve currency? Or will these countries see this as an opportunity to tilt the balance of economic power further in their favour? Either way, the control of events is no longer in American hands.

The fate of empires is very often sealed by the interaction of war and debt. That was true of the British Empire, whose finances deteriorated from the First World War onwards, and of the Soviet Union. Defeat in Afghanistan and the economic burden of trying to respond to Reagan's technically flawed but politically extremely effective Star Wars programme were vital factors in triggering the Soviet collapse. Despite its insistent exceptionalism, America is no different. The Iraq War and the credit bubble have fatally undermined America's economic primacy. The US will continue to be the world's largest economy for a while longer, but it will be the new rising powers that, once the crisis is over, buy up what remains intact in the wreckage of America's financial system.

There has been a good deal of talk in recent weeks about imminent economic armageddon. In fact, this is far from being the end of capitalism. The frantic scrambling that is going on in Washington marks the passing of only one type of capitalism - the peculiar and highly unstable variety that has existed in America over the last 20 years. This experiment in financial laissez-faire has imploded.While the impact of the collapse will be felt everywhere, the market economies that resisted American-style deregulation will best weather the storm. Britain, which has turned itself into a gigantic hedge fund, but of a kind that lacks the ability to profit from a downturn, is likely to be especially badly hit.

The irony of the post-Cold War period is that the fall of communism was followed by the rise of another utopian ideology. In American and Britain, and to a lesser extent other Western countries, a type of market fundamentalism became the guiding philosophy. The collapse of American power that is underway is the predictable upshot. Like the Soviet collapse, it will have large geopolitical repercussions. An enfeebled economy cannot support America's over-extended military commitments for much longer. Retrenchment is inevitable and it is unlikely to be gradual or well planned.

Meltdowns on the scale we are seeing are not slow-motion events. They are swift and chaotic, with rapidly spreading side-effects. Consider Iraq. The success of the surge, which has been achieved by bribing the Sunnis, while acquiescing in ongoing ethnic cleansing, has produced a condition of relative peace in parts of the country. How long will this last, given that America's current level of expenditure on the war can no longer be sustained?

An American retreat from Iraq will leave Iran the regional victor. How will Saudi Arabia respond? Will military action to forestall Iran acquiring nuclear weapons be less or more likely? China's rulers have so far been silent during the unfolding crisis. Will America's weakness embolden them to assert China's power or will China continue its cautious policy of 'peaceful rise'? At present, none of these questions can be answered with any confidence. What is evident is that power is leaking from the US at an accelerating rate. Georgia showed Russia redrawing the geopolitical map, with America an impotent spectator.

Outside the US, most people have long accepted that the development of new economies that goes with globalisation will undermine America's central position in the world. They imagined that this would be a change in America's comparative standing, taking place incrementally over several decades or generations. Today, that looks an increasingly unrealistic assumption.

Having created the conditions that produced history's biggest bubble, America's political leaders appear unable to grasp the magnitude of the dangers the country now faces. Mired in their rancorous culture wars and squabbling among themselves, they seem oblivious to the fact that American global leadership is fast ebbing away. A new world is coming into being almost unnoticed, where America is only one of several great powers, facing an uncertain future it can no longer shape.
 
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Old 10-28-2008, 02:10 PM   #58
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so your saying that america is bad because its the most poweful country in the world. we arent called a superpower for nothing buddy. if we stopped buying over seas goods the whole world would be screwed so be grateful we are what we are.
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Please read ALL what I said and before judging wrong
This is very good for US-I would love man love u stay a super power!I swear It would be extraordinary great news for me that you and us recover !
 
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so your saying that america is bad because its the most poweful country in the world. we arent called a superpower for nothing buddy. if we stopped buying over seas goods the whole world would be screwed so be grateful we are what we are.
mitbar this guys got me all lost on what his point actually is, first he`s bashing U.S.A.,, then he`s saying he`s not,, WTF is his point anyway??
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