[mr_bhana]

For our law report, we had to go to the crown court and observe cases being held for trial. It was suprising to see how many cases there were regarding pedophilia in the city! Some of my freinds who went on different days also sat in pedo cases!

It seems like its very common thing! For example in one case, the defendant was being prosecuted for using a vibrator on an 8 year old. Another crime which makes capital punishment on the 'For' List in my vote

[Zack]

it's the allure of something dirty. it's something you're not supposed to do. It's all about control. These men see it as a way of fulfilling a want/need for something that they know is wrong, but to them feels so right. the kids can't fight back and either way they're going to do it unless someone of their size intervenes. People don't realize that pedophilia is everywhere and child porn is running rampant. on a site i visit (a random image board) it's posted nearly everyday and taken down immediately. people love the idea of doing something wrong, but sometimes what they do can have effects for years.

[JakeVendetta]

The more we talk about these things, the less gets done. Someone needs to do something about it, no more talking.
We need to balance out the evil in the world, obviously governed law no longer does what needs to be done.

[islander]

Originally Posted by ZackKnight

but sometimes what they do can have effects for years.

im hoping you arnt talking about pedos. cause that would be the understament of the century, there is no 'but' or 'sometimes'. the unfortunate numbers is the ****s being tunred in and caught. i bet not even a 10th no not even a 5th mabey less of the guys get charged. i read in a magazine yesterday 53% of women are sexually abused by the time there 30.

its such a awful horribe thing people dont like talking about it. i think that is one of the reasons so many boys and girls dont speak up if its happening to them.

my boyfriends mom went down to mexico and was offered a boy she thought must have been no older then 14. Asian countrys are supposedly really bad for the selling of young children. Here since its not so available i think is one reason why we have so many children abducted.

I dont know about canada but i think the states has some mandatory castrations laws in place. Thank god.

Defenitly needs to be talked about more in school. Kids are kept to sheltered. I think i saw one video if someone touchs you in a 'no' place nothing that it could be you dad or uncle or neighbor. I just hope there is a god or karma or something that will happen to these ****s.

[Julio]

Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

The more we talk about these things, the less gets done. Someone needs to do something about it, no more talking.
We need to balance out the evil in the world, obviously governed law no longer does what needs to be done.

exactly, people whine to much but don't do nothing about it.

[Tripower]

The deepest circle of hell is reserved for those who abuse the innocent. I think its apt that even in prison, child sex offenders are considered the lowest of the low.

[Costanza]

Originally Posted by ZackKnight

it's the allure of something dirty. it's something you're not supposed to do. It's all about control. These men see it as a way of fulfilling a want/need for something that they know is wrong, but to them feels so right. the kids can't fight back and either way they're going to do it unless someone of their size intervenes. People don't realize that pedophilia is everywhere and child porn is running rampant. on a site i visit (a random image board) it's posted nearly everyday and taken down immediately. people love the idea of doing something wrong, but sometimes what they do can have effects for years.

A few years ago, I owned an image uploading/sharing site which doubled as a proxy site. Within 2 weeks of owning the site, I was contacted by the FBI for hosting child porn. I hadn't even thought of the combination, but people started using the proxy side of the site to anonymously upload child porn to the image sharing side of the site. Needless to say, I turned over all of the log files to the authorities and shut the site down. The person I talked to said the same thing you did above, that it's rampant and they just can't keep up with all of the reports of it.

[Zack]

damn man, that sucks. glad to see that u turned over the logs and possibly saved more people from having to deal with those ****s

[Julio]

Originally Posted by Tripower

The deepest circle of hell is reserved for those who abuse the innocent. I think its apt that even in prison, child sex offenders are considered the lowest of the low.

if we wait for "hell" to do something we are going nowhere in this life.

[L!on]

If someone did something to my kid I tell you i'll de torturing that person as long as he or she holds or until the cops find me!

[Malgate]

with the job i have, i come across these types of so called humnas all the time. I couldnt stand it before i had my own kid and now it really makes me mad

Recently here in Sydney, Australia and artist had a show of his cancelled fora week or so becuase he had full frontal naked shots of kids on display under the banner of 'art'. the whole world thought it wrong except for the 'art' community. Unfortunately the legal eagles who would have been prosecuting the artist reckoned they had no case as it was 'art' or some crap reason.

i can stand pedo's. Whose up for a night time operation. all you need is a balaclava and something to smash them with

[Tripower]

Originally Posted by Malgate

Recently here in Sydney, Australia and artist had a show of his cancelled fora week or so becuase he had full frontal naked shots of kids on display under the banner of 'art'. the whole world thought it wrong except for the 'art' community. Unfortunately the legal eagles who would have been prosecuting the artist reckoned they had no case as it was 'art' or some crap reason.

Ahhhhh Bill Henson. Now that was interesting. We had a debate about this particular issue at school, as one of my mates who does art defended artistic license and creative rights. I highly disagree with this stance, as it is irrelevant, art or not.

Just because an 'artisitic expression' such as this is deemed to have no sexual connotation, I think artisitic liscence, nor media hysteria is the point of the issue. For me, personally, I agree that the teenage body and what it represents is indeed an emotional and poigniant experience, but i vehemently disagree with it being exploited for art. Yes, exploited. The media and politicians may be societys renowned spin doctors, but don't fool yourself, artists can be too. I am not in any way condemning freedom of expression, or artistic liscence, I just believe that the body of a teenager is a PERSONALLY intimate thing, and some actions just shouldnt take place for the emotional purity and integrity of a child, no matter how 'artistically enlightened they, or more to the point thier parents, may be. Photographing naked children, NO MATTER WHAT THE CONTEXT, is wrong.

In short, suffice to say, intellectualism is no excuse for the exploitation of an innocent child.

[chrispghmuscle]

The ones that don't get caught, the young children have to live with the horror all through there lives.

I feel so badly for them.. I know how they feel.. I am one of them

[Tripower]

Originally Posted by chrispghmuscle

The ones that don't get caught, the young children have to live with the horror all through there lives.

I feel so badly for them.. I know how they feel.. I am one of them

I am not even going to pretend I would know how that feels. If I can say anything, its a testament to you're charachter that you can handle it so well bro.

[moorey]

Originally Posted by mr_bhana

For our law report, we had to go to the crown court and observe cases being held for trial. It was suprising to see how many cases there were regarding pedophilia in the city! Some of my freinds who went on different days also sat in pedo cases!

It seems like its very common thing! For example in one case, the defendant was being prosecuted for using a vibrator on an 8 year old. Another crime which makes capital punishment on the 'For' List in my vote

My observation of this henious crime is the children get "life" and the sicko's or these get a jail sentence, but how can you cure someone who sees a child as a sexual subject, could they cure an hetro man from fancying women? no, so if there is little or no chance of rehabillitation, why the **** do they play russian roulette with childrens lives? Under the mental health act a person can be detained indeffinately. so why cant they legislate for these people?

[Tripower]

Originally Posted by moorey

My observation of this henious crime is the children get "life" and the sicko's or these get a jail sentence, but how can you cure someone who sees a child as a sexual subject, could they cure an hetro man from fancying women? no, so if there is little or no chance of rehabillitation, why the **** do they play russian roulette with childrens lives? Under the mental health act a person can be detained indeffinately. so why cant they legislate for these people?

Generally, I believe the sexual connection made by paedophiles with children is an innate feeling, but I am damn sure no one is born with it. It is instilled within them as a result of emotional trauma... it is generally a power complex, or a result of being abused themeselves as a young child....thus to them it is'nt really playing 'russian roullette' with childrens lives, because they cannot percieve thier own behaviour as partaking in a vicious cycle.

I liken the behaviour to serial killers. Drastic, I know, but what instigates thier behaviour always stems from the corruption of thier own mind, brought about by some form of trauma. Some people would love to see these people hang. I know it sounds horrible, but these people who commit the crimes need just as much help as those who are abused. Killing them is'nt a preventative measure, its a reactive measure, and the child is already corrupted by the time the paedophile is caught.

I completely agree Moorey, these people are mentally ill, and need help. We need to study them in order to recognise what causes it, and to develop a criteria of warning signs for the development of preventative measures.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Why couldn't someone be born with it? I mean, speaking strictly in terms of attraction and sexual development it all has to do with the brain. For men, excluding homosexuals, they are attracted at large to an almost very constant figure for a woman that's basically a ratio of hip to waist. What we find attractive is very much predetermined and influenced by any social habits, evolutions way of ensuring that someones line keeps on.

For pedophiles there has to be something wrong with their brain at birth or during their prepubescent development that impedes normal attraction. For the guys that took psychology in school, you know what im talking about when it goes through the stage of mental development from prebuscent to teenage, from teenage to midteen, etc. I'm sure there are a great amount of men and women alike that were sexually abused but never in turn did it to another child because they have moral conscientiousness and empathy for another human.

And speaking as someone with whats considered a "mental disorder" all though not related to the subject at hand, i'm sure many pedophiles would consider themselves normal and their attraction a sexual preference. Even if therapy could work, how many people would you have that would actually try to get help? Especially with the social stigma of being a pedophile.

[Tripower]

Maybe its my conviction and hope in the human condition that no one is born with it. Being born with it, and being genetically pre disposed are two completely different things, as social interactions, surroundings and experiences I believe are what trigger dormant feelings of lust.

I am not saying that all paedophiles were themselves abused as a child, but I think many sex offenders have a power complex, even if they themselves cannot understand it. On an innate level, we are all attracted to different things, and there must be reasons to explain it, whether it be a warped view of power, exploitng the innocent, or maybe they simply believe having sex with a child is an innocent and beautiful thing.

You raise a very valid point. Maybe we as a society are responsible to correct thier behaviour, even if they do feel it is thier right as a human being. The parameters for a 'mental disorder' always has to be created in order for the disease to exist....so in saying that...who decides what is right and wrong?

Speaking in terms of genetic predisposition, I think it is a healthy indicator that, just as primal feelings and emotions exist within us all, the majority are not paedophiles because of thier social conscience and moral conviction, so as a society it should be our responsibility to try and prevent the behaviour from occuring.

Such a complex equation has many elements, and thus, is never easy to solve.

[Thomas_Rivera]

The reason I think people can be born with it, is because there is always the chance of something prenatal that can cause an adverse development in the brain.

Power complexes could explain it, but to be a pedophile they also have to have reccuring sexual fantasies and urges towards preteens. And even with a power complex there are a lot of variables. For you Tripower, or anyone, do you feel more powerful tossing around 100 pounds or 200 pounds? There would be the guys who get off on the power to do what they want to a child, but then there are the guys (that turn into rapist) who get off on doing it to grown women who are harder targets for better lack of use of a word.

I would like to think that it would be easy to change how they view children, but for alot of them it would be like telling a lesbian that they shouldn't like other women. Society always changes regardless, how many hundred years ago was it when 13 and 14 year old girls married off to older men?

I don't think theres any practical way of preventing people from having an interest in children. I don't think theres any way to know, its like trying to guess which people you know have looked at beastiality.

What do you guys think about the act of making it public knowledge where sex offenders live?

[moorey]

Nature versus Nurture, the age old debate. IMO we are born with certain ways of cognitive thought, predispositions and a certain persona, but these can be influenced by our development through nurture, privation and deprivation. Our learing through early development comes through many processes, Modelling Etc and IMO some of our true behaviour can be modified by parental and social influences, it maybe hidden or become latent. But bringing this back to paedophiles I think we have to involve Primal drives, Our primal drives are to eat, sleep, stay alive and procreate. So if their primal attraction is to children, then how do inhibit someones primal drive, yes yopu can use chemical castration, but then there are other ways a child can be molested, so what is the answer? In the 50's they did experiments with gay men where they used modification behaviour techniques similar to Pavlo's dog, they then gave them injections of testosterone to see if that would work. The results proved they did not to influence sexual orientation. The only answer IMO is to keep them away from children, if this means prison, so be it, the lives of our children are too precious to take chances with!

[Tripower]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

The reason I think people can be born with it, is because there is always the chance of something prenatal that can cause an adverse development in the brain.

Power complexes could explain it, but to be a pedophile they also have to have reccuring sexual fantasies and urges towards preteens. And even with a power complex there are a lot of variables. For you Tripower, or anyone, do you feel more powerful tossing around 100 pounds or 200 pounds? There would be the guys who get off on the power to do what they want to a child, but then there are the guys (that turn into rapist) who get off on doing it to grown women who are harder targets for better lack of use of a word.

I would like to think that it would be easy to change how they view children, but for alot of them it would be like telling a lesbian that they shouldn't like other women. Society always changes regardless, how many hundred years ago was it when 13 and 14 year old girls married off to older men?

I don't think theres any practical way of preventing people from having an interest in children. I don't think theres any way to know, its like trying to guess which people you know have looked at beastiality.

What do you guys think about the act of making it public knowledge where sex offenders live?

Primal drives are definately a recurring point of foundation when it comes to this discussion. As Moorey has so aptly put it, altering innate human behaviour is near impossible, as it defines what an individual believes to be correct. Thus in saying so, it does indeed make this 'trait' very difficult to correct, without experimenting into the unknown or undiscovered. When psycology isnt the answer, prevention is indeed the next best thing...which is keeping the children away.

I personally believe the residence of a sex offender should definately not be public knowledge...unless we want to go back to the witch hunting days. However, in the right hands, such as the appropriate authorities, could do a great deal of good. Monitering whereabouts and behaviour may be seen as a tax on personal freedom, but sex offenders forfiet that right when they decide to touch a child, whether it feels right to them or not.

Oh....and make that 300 pounds Thomas

Stimulating discussion, +reps tom

[chrispghmuscle]

Originally Posted by Tripower

Primal drives are definately a recurring point of foundation when it comes to this discussion. As Moorey has so aptly put it, altering innate human behaviour is near impossible, as it defines what an individual believes to be correct. Thus in saying so, it does indeed make this 'trait' very difficult to correct, without experimenting into the unknown or undiscovered. When psycology isnt the answer, prevention is indeed the next best thing...which is keeping the children away.

I personally believe the residence of a sex offender should definately not be public knowledge...unless we want to go back to the witch hunting days. However, in the right hands, such as the appropriate authorities, could do a great deal of good. Monitering whereabouts and behaviour may be seen as a tax on personal freedom, but sex offenders forfiet that right when they decide to touch a child, whether it feels right to them or not.

Oh....and make that 300 pounds Thomas

Stimulating discussion, +reps tom

Megan's list is where there kept. Homes of Sex offender's in your area.. I'm a parent and I want to know where they are in my neighborhood..

[Tripower]

.........So it IS public knowledge in the USA? I would'nt know being Aussie. That is a very good point....so do you get told if there are any living in your immediate vicinity?

[chrispghmuscle]

Originally Posted by Tripower

.........So it IS public knowledge in the USA? I would'nt know being Aussie. That is a very good point....so do you get told if there are any living in your immediate vicinity?

Your not notified by mail or anything...you can search from your zip code or county, such as Allegheny or Westmoreland..or by your Township.. That will narrow the list down tremendously.. I know exactly where the ones that live near me are..

There are so many facets to this conversation.. I don't even know where to being..

This thread hits on a personl level for me.. I really want to express my concern... But I'm reserved at doing so..

[L!on]

I think that nature shows what cultures and religions had tried to show us. nature will always tell you it's bad to abuse of a child, like for example even in the deepest in amazon the indians wich have no system or what we know as a system they know what is wrong. there are always limits to reasoning and i bet that in most of less complex cultures like indians have more respect for these kinds of problems.

[Tripower]

Hence why we were discussing innate behaviour. Chris thats cool, good to know you are on the lookout for your kid's wellbeing.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by L!on

I think that nature shows what cultures and religions had tried to show us. nature will always tell you it's bad to abuse of a child, like for example even in the deepest in amazon the indians wich have no system or what we know as a system they know what is wrong. there are always limits to reasoning and i bet that in most of less complex cultures like indians have more respect for these kinds of problems.

Every culture has some sort of economic, social-moral system.

[Genghis]

well lol...

Peado's no doubt are sickkkk people,

I've heard that most peado's that go to jail end up getting killed when convicts find out there peado's so that shows even most criminals find that **** sick,

I honestly think that peado's should be given life in jail or hanged and killed, a quick shot to the head from a AK would do it,

^^that may sound extreme... but like thats what scum like that deserves also I wouldnt want my kids living anywhere near psycho's like that,

And Dont anybody dare say lol... that visiting a psychiatrist will fix them... cos that just mask's the problem and never resolves it 99% of the time,

I love when Peado's are caught On T.V. and humiliated makes me lmao and just so happy,

Also Chris.... **** dude, Bro like dang... I feel sorry for you man, I aint gunna put my nose where it shouldnt be, just want to say,

I rate you for coming through it man

[chrispghmuscle]

Originally Posted by Genghis

well lol...

Peado's no doubt are sickkkk people,

I've heard that most peado's that go to jail end up getting killed when convicts find out there peado's so that shows even most criminals find that **** sick,

I honestly think that peado's should be given life in jail or hanged and killed, a quick shot to the head from a AK would do it,

^^that may sound extreme... but like thats what scum like that deserves also I wouldnt want my kids living anywhere near psycho's like that,

And Dont anybody dare say lol... that visiting a psychiatrist will fix them... cos that just mask's the problem and never resolves it 99% of the time,

I love when Peado's are caught On T.V. and humiliated makes me lmao and just so happy,

Also Chris.... **** dude, Bro like dang... I feel sorry for you man, I aint gunna put my nose where it shouldnt be, just want to say,
I rate you for coming through it man

Genghis...I appreciate your comments.. I have been living with it since I was 5 years old.... and I'm 40 now.. It's not an easy thing to talk about..Especially in a global chat room..

You have to ask yourself, or at least I did... If you get an answer for what happened. Does it erase how you feel. That answer is no.. More importantly can you live with the answer.. Cause god only knows what was going through there minds when it happened.. You live a sheltered life for a long time,, worried if it would happen again.. Or would you carry it into your adult hood.. I can confidently say No..

Everyone one of you have struck a nerve deep inside me.. One that I thougth I had forgotten... well I never will ever forget it..

I cannot tell you how mentally I have felt throughout my life.. It's hard to explain.. And yes I have talked to professionals about it.. In some cases it was too soon for my mind to comprehend / understand.

Everyone brings up valid points.. I would do every punishment everyone has stated and even more...

Thanks for listening to me.

Chris

[moorey]

Originally Posted by chrispghmuscle

Genghis...I appreciate your comments.. I have been living with it since I was 5 years old.... and I'm 40 now.. It's not an easy thing to talk about..Especially in a global chat room..





I cannot tell you how mentally I have felt throughout my life.. It's hard to explain.. And yes I have talked to professionals about it.. In some cases it was too soon for my mind to comprehend / understand.



Chris

Seeing a psychologist for any condition, particularily one as personal as being abused has to be at a time the person can developed appropriate defence mechanisms to deal with the presented situation. The first defence mechanism many of us use is repression. The difficulty with this is if similar stimulus or if we are exposed to similar life situations then the we can find it puts us into a panic like state where we become overwhelmed with guilt etc and some people actually self harm or attempt or commit suicide at this time. The most common feelings ive come accross from victims( especially men) is that they remember getting excited physically, the guilt from this is for many overwhelming, but its important to remeber that fear and sexual response are very similar. Other common feelings seemed to be that people felt they lacked something, why them, its my fault, all this is usually used by the bastards to " condition" the person into believing they are somehow responsible. Many people go onto to develop a lack of self esteem, they may become repressed or promiscuous sexually. Developing an understanding that you were the victim and are no longer a victim and what was done to you was wrong and not your fault is the fundamental basis of any therapy. If this can be accepted by the person abused and they can develop an understanding of the " grooming" they were exposed to, they can begin to make sense of what happened to them rather as many people who have been abused relate to events as though they happened to a "third party" Perople who are abused are often given a life sentence of self hate, recrimination and some go onto to develop severe mental illness when often the person who was the catalyst to the person's condition is paroled from prison because he has demonstrated "reformed " behaviour by going on some accademics' therapy. The reason the therapy is successful is it is in controlled conditions, the parole board then do a registerd discharge order and "house" the bastard 100 yds away from a nursery( as recently happened in the uk) and whike the politicians live in their ivory towers away from this, children are exposed to this every year. Sorry for the rant, but ive worked with so many survivors, everyone of their stories still effects me!