[Freak]

Originally Posted by moorey

How does it make the extended victims feel when someone who has systematically kicked the **** out of their loved one is given a life sentence( often 17-25yrs in the uk) The parents of a young Gothic girl who was attacked and killed by thugs was given a " life sentence" of 18yrs this means he will be out before he is 40 and free to live his life, while the parents/relatives/loved ones serve their own emotional life sentence and this is supposed to be justice?

There are plenty of cases where the person did not receive adequate punishment, hell look at OJ. We are talking about the concept as a whole.

[kenney]

Originally Posted by moorey

How does it make the extended victims feel when someone who has systematically kicked the **** out of their loved one is given a life sentence( often 17-25yrs in the uk) The parents of a young Gothic girl who was attacked and killed by thugs was given a " life sentence" of 18yrs this means he will be out before he is 40 and free to live his life, while the parents/relatives/loved ones serve their own emotional life sentence and this is supposed to be justice?

thats if he misbehaves in prison. he could get time taken off for good behaviour, if he agrees to have a tag etc

[moorey]

Originally Posted by Freak

There are plenty of cases where the person did not receive adequate punishment, hell look at OJ. We are talking about the concept as a whole.

This isnt a one off Brent, Obviously I cant speak for the USA, we have been subjected to a series of murders where people have been given a " life sentence" and been given between 17-25 yrs. Put yourself as a grieving parent and imagine seeing the killer of your son/daughter/ loved one walking the streets free to live their lives. So what is the alternative? extending the prison sentences? In the uk the prisons are overcrowded already and where is the deterent for many guys who are institutionalised? to them being in prison is a way of life and what about the additional expense of the upkeep of these people, we cant dish out inhumane treatment to them as they have done to their victims, they have rights to be protected, fed and kept warm. Ian Brady ( serial Killer) recently threatened to sue the prison service because his cell was draughty! I have no answers but whether the death penalty returns are no, the system we have now is not working!

[moorey]

Originally Posted by kenney

thats if he misbehaves in prison. he could get time taken off for good behaviour, if he agrees to have a tag etc

true Kenney look at Jamie Bulgers killers, they got out realy early and you cant tell me one or other of the boys was not emotionally disturbed to kill someone like they did and yet they are out, given new identities, new lives, while the parents of Jamie are left with their own life sentence

[kenney]

too right moorey. prisons dont deter criminals, they breed them

[kenney]

Originally Posted by moorey

true Kenney look at Jamie Bulgers killers, they got out realy early and you cant tell me one or other of the boys was not emotionally disturbed to kill someone like they did and yet they are out, given new identities, new lives, while the parents of Jamie are left with their own life sentence

not only that. while they were inside, they were taken on trips to footy matches and **** like that because being inside was too 'stressful' for them

[moorey]

Originally Posted by kenney

not only that. while they were inside, they were taken on trips to footy matches and **** like that because being inside was too 'stressful' for them

Yep I remember that now, but that was a deterent kenny, the team they were forced to watch was Leicester City lol soz mate!

[kenney]

Originally Posted by moorey

Yep I remember that now, but that was a deterent kenny, the team they were forced to watch was Leicester City lol soz mate!

ouch! lol Leicester Foxes haha nah im not a big fan of football anyway, my older sister's boyfriend follows Leicester like a lost dog though...

[Freak]

I agree with you Moorey.

[mr_bhana]

OJ is an exception, besides if you spend millions on lawyers you can buy the courts over.

Look at the case of stephen lawrence, cops dont really do ****. I watch 'Americas Hardest PRisons' lol and it shows that prison gang leaders call the shots on the streets. So in a way, prison does breed crime. Gangs are becoming more organised and controlling. The world is power hungry nowadays!

[musclemaniac uk]

I read somewhere last year, that in 2005 £10 000 of taxpayers money was spent to buy PS2's for juvenile facilities. what kind of system is that! all the human rights activists are protecting the rights of criminals. what about the rights of the victims and their families? i agree with Moorey, basic human rights should be a privilege for those that abide by the laws set in place, you commit murder/rape your human rights should be forfeit. in commiting such crimes you show no sign of humanity, so why should you have 'human' rights? I say show no mercy to those that murder and rape, kill them all in the way they killed/offended their victims.

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by mr_bhana

OJ is an exception, besides if you spend millions on lawyers you can buy the courts over.

Look at the case of stephen lawrence, cops dont really do ****. I watch 'Americas Hardest PRisons' lol and it shows that prison gang leaders call the shots on the streets. So in a way, prison does breed crime. Gangs are becoming more organised and controlling. The world is power hungry nowadays!

I watched that on Sky one, that show makes you think who's really in control? the law or the thugs, man they got more drugs kills racism etc. inside jails than outside,

The simple thing is that Money always wins in this world.. right and wrong is always distorted by money thus leaving many young people confused angry which means more crime anger and rebellion..

[QuinnBW]

bottom line is that capital punishment simply has not been proven to work in terms of deterring criminals. However, I feel as if you can at the death penalty in 2 ways... 1: that it can't be proven to work and should therefore be thrown out, or 2: take the chance that it does work, because the gains from possible deterrence far outweigh the zero possibility of deterrence under a system without capital punishment

[islander]

i received this email a couple days ago so if you feel like sending a email to the addy please do.

Do you remember February 1993 in England , when a young boy

of 3 was taken from a Liverpool shopping centre by two 10-year-old boys?

Jamie Bulger walked away from his mother for only a second,

Jon Venables took his hand and led him out of the mall with his friend Robert Thompson.

They took Jamie on a walk for over 2 and a half miles, along the way stopping

every now and again to torture the poor little boy who was crying constantly for

his mummy.

Finally they stopped at a railway track where they brutally Kicked him, threw

stones at him, rubbed paint in his eyes, pushed batteries up his anus and cut his

fingers off with scissors. Other mutilations were inflicted but not reported in

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forbidden to identify his body.

They then left his beaten small body on railway tracks so a Train could run him

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This week Lady Justice Butler-Sloss has awarded the two boys Anonymity for the

rest of their lives when they leave custody with new identities. They will also

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I thought I was against capital punshiment until today when i read were this **** led his daughter down into the basment where he had made these secret tunnels and held her down there for the last 24 years. he repeatedly raped her and she had 5 kids by him one of which he burnt in the apt incinerator when it died. just typing this i feel so sick to my stomach i hope this guy is i dont even think there is something bad enough that could happen to him that i could think of actully. thats proabably one of the worst things ive ever heard. so i geuss ya me who cant even kill a fly or a spider, who catches them im a cup and takes them outside belives in capital punishment.

[kenney]

good on ya islander. i heard it on the news about that bloke to. it sounds kinda pathetic but when something like comes on, i have to turn it off. it just fills me with rage and just encourages my hate for the world. i really hope he gets all of the torture that he deserves

[moorey]

Originally Posted by kenney

good on ya islander. i heard it on the news about that bloke to. it sounds kinda pathetic but when something like comes on, i have to turn it off. it just fills me with rage and just encourages my hate for the world. i really hope he gets all of the torture that he deserves

know im going off topic, but yep im the same sometimes, in my work I see some bad things and sometimes the world seems all out for what it can get regardles of whom it hurts to get it. People who are much more academic than me say this is " moral panic" and things were just as bad in the past, but I lived through it and it never seemed like this, maybe its the hi tech media coverage that enables people to have more in depth news, but to me there was once communities now there seems to be enclaves with tokenistic attempts at establishing communities.

[kenney]

exactly man. as time goes on, the whole world becomes more engulfed in hypocrisy and contradiction.its no wonder that kids turn to crime and drugs

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by kenney

exactly man. as time goes on, the whole world becomes more engulfed in hypocrisy and contradiction.its no wonder that kids turn to crime and drugs

Thats a great point Kenney.. but it shouldnt be an excuse for kids to turn to crime and drugs.. Maybe Im not in the worst of area's.. but my area is classified as a ghetto.. and I've stayed away from drugs and crime..

[kenney]

Originally Posted by Genghis

Thats a great point Kenney.. but it shouldnt be an excuse for kids to turn to crime and drugs.. Maybe Im not in the worst of area's.. but my area is classified as a ghetto.. and I've stayed away from drugs and crime..

in no way at all but everyone reacts to things differently. im the same as you, i would say my upbringing was pretty rough, ive always been surrounded by drugs and crime but never turned to it. different people react to things differently, for some reason or another, people like you and me grow up to get a more diverse understandind and perspective of the world, others simply dont

[mr_bhana]

The UK government send 24k per criminal per year, IMO some of these offenders are better off on the street for mino convictions, and the serious offenders are better of dead

Cases like the case in austria, is what Capital punishment is needed for

50% of the people i know have tried atleast booda, The area i live in isnt too bad, but some parts of it is. Its not that hard to say no, unless you're threatened or under major peer pressure

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by kenney

in no way at all but everyone reacts to things differently. im the same as you, i would say my upbringing was pretty rough, ive always been surrounded by drugs and crime but never turned to it. different people react to things differently, for some reason or another, people like you and me grow up to get a more diverse understanding and perspective of the world, others simply dont

True..^^

Yo but that thing that happened in Austria is just Totally f'ed up man...

I cant even think of a punishment for that "SICKO"... what he done to his daughter his own blood is just incomprehensible...

Man that Wanker will get what's coming to him... hanging him would even be a nice way for him to go...

[Shiver]

If there is verifiable DNA evidence guaranteeing without a 0.00000000000000001% shred of doubt, then by all means kill the bastards.

If the crime was against a child then I'm all for torture leading to death -- I'm thinking tossing said person gagged and bound, naked, and smothered in peanutbutter into a room full of rabid starving rats.

Now that's justice!

[EastCoast Highlander]

kill em all

[QuinnBW]

I think that men and women who hurt children (rape, murder, torture... etc.) should be killed, hands down and in a horrible way... although the horrible way part will never happen

[Sed]

A punishment should be a punishment! I dont know about your prisons but swedish prisons are like ****ing hotels compared to what they should be, there was even a man, a poor one I might add, which travelled to sweden, killed a guy on the street with a hammer and gave himself up to the police to get into swedish prisons...

And that is plain sick, I mean, If someone I knew and loved was raped for instance. I would want them to suffer. Some victims lives the rest of their lives in paranoia and fear after a rape, and what do the criminal get? a few years in prison, then they are free. thats not humane, thats letting the victim getting more punished then the criminal.

People should be scared of doing something thats against the law especially Rapists and pedophiles.

and ofc I know that the ones that would be killed sadisticly could be innocents, and if they were it would be horrible. but as said with commiting crimes many times would prove it. If a criminal cant be steered in the right direction by "what is right and what is wrong" talk, then maybe his fear of being killed in a painful manner could hinder him from doing it.

Sorry if I rant and if Im not a good talker, but hopefully you will see my point.

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by Sed

A punishment should be a punishment! I dont know about your prisons but swedish prisons are like ****ing hotels compared to what they should be, there was even a man, a poor one I might add, which travelled to sweden, killed a guy on the street with a hammer and gave himself up to the police to get into swedish prisons...

And that is plain sick, I mean, If someone I knew and loved was raped for instance. I would want them to suffer. Some victims lives the rest of their lives in paranoia and fear after a rape, and what do the criminal get? a few years in prison, then they are free. thats not humane, thats letting the victim getting more punished then the criminal.

People should be scared of doing something thats against the law especially Rapists and pedophiles.

and ofc I know that the ones that would be killed sadisticly could be innocents, and if they were it would be horrible. but as said with commiting crimes many times would prove it. If a criminal cant be steered in the right direction by "what is right and what is wrong" talk, then maybe his fear of being killed in a painful manner could hinder him from doing it.

Sorry if I rant and if Im not a good talker, but hopefully you will see my point.

Defo see your point sed but what you said about the poor old man killing a dude with a hammer to get into prison... couldnt he have like just attacked him or somefin lol? anyways its funny most people try to avoid prison but some are going towards it intentionally... but then again its down to the goverment to make the jails hell and not luxury,

to sum up man... the way the world is at the moment... its just going down... its getting worser and worser and in total honesty the world can just get worser no better... the legal systems are getting worser too... eh all you can do is protect your family and friends from all these peado's and if you catch em... give them a bloody good hiding!

You'd think people learn from the past... but mankind never does... it always keeps biting itself in the ass untill it gets **** on.. =\

[AJM]

eye for an eye (im a corrections officer lol) sex with kids i hope they get raped or killed in prison most get raped.

[Sed]

@Genghis: I suppose he could be he wouldnt be in prison for as long, the big failure in his plan was that he was sent to a prison in his homeland instead, which had ****ty prisons. Epic fail lol.

And sadly the thing you say about the world going down is true, sometimes Ive thought that you should try to do as many good things as possible so the world can be saved, but then I realized it wont help. No matter what you do its going downwards, if you care about the enviroment and walk instead of taking the car, its still going to be a billion more driving cars then walking. So whatever you do the worlds still going to hell.

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by Sed

@Genghis: I suppose he could be he wouldnt be in prison for as long, the big failure in his plan was that he was sent to a prison in his homeland instead, which had ****ty prisons. Epic fail lol.

And sadly the thing you say about the world going down is true, sometimes Ive thought that you should try to do as many good things as possible so the world can be saved, but then I realized it wont help. No matter what you do its going downwards, if you care about the enviroment and walk instead of taking the car, its still going to be a billion more driving cars then walking. So whatever you do the worlds still going to hell.

Totally agree man, dont get me wrong I still try my best to do good lol, but like in terminator 2 << (dumb example I know)

When arnie sais "Its in your nature to destroy yourselves"

man that quote really makes ya think.. =\

[Sed]

Originally Posted by Genghis

Totally agree man, dont get me wrong I still try my best to do good lol, but like in terminator 2 << (dumb example I know)

When arnie sais "Its in your nature to destroy yourselves"

man that quote really makes ya think.. =\

Im with you bro, and dont get me wrong either, Im not gonna turn into a evil-doer because of all the negatives in the world. And to be honest Terminator 2 isnt that bad of an example, sometimes you find the best quotes in films you wouldnt expect them in lol.