[kenney]

hey guys was just wondering, what are some of your thoughts on Marxist beliefs/theories/policies etc communism aside, i think some of their theories make alot of sense and do explain alot about the corruption of a capitalist government. but on the other hand i think some of their theories are a bit farfetched. if anyone is unsure about what Marxism is, feel free to ask.

fire away...

[mr_bhana]

never heard of it, but i do know what communists and capitalists are lol

[kenney]

it is about as left wing as they come lol founded by Karl Marx. they believe that capitalism creates evil, greed and corruption. also the bourgoise (higher class, landlords, business owners etc) exploit the proletariat (working class) through means of not giving them the 'true value of their worth' ie not paying them what they truly deserve. it all basically revolves around capitalism and communism. Marxists have alot of explanations/theories for different social problems. this one is my favourite topic of discussion in class:
Marxist believe that the NHS in Britain serves as a way of getting people to succumb to the capitalist economy. basically, if someone becomes ill, they go to the hospital or whatever and the doctos have to do what they can to make the patient healthy again and by doing so, the patient can get back to work and carry on being exploited for the purpose of profit and economic wealth. like i said, some of their theories seem farfetched but i can see what they are getting at. here is good old wikipedia's explanation:
Marxism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Genghis]

They got some points that make you think, but some of Marxism's beliefs are more on a very weak and dodgy level...

Marxism and other ideology's similar to this I would steer clear of,

The way these ideology's which are full of contradictions and hippocricy reel in believers and win the minds of people is by using clever brainwashing techniques also they use clever basic facts to make their ideology sound "right".. when really they are dangerous.. and can make you begin to feel alienated,

I've read in to many of these sorta ideologys ranging from the BNP to darwinism.. in all of these ideology's there's always a core to why these ideology's are thought up.. 10/10 its always to do with making one person feel as if they are being treated unfairly and also that somehow they are unequal to everyone else I.E. they are better or higher above someone because of their own colour belief etc.

to sum up I Always steer away from this stuff which even after reading always is just BS made up by sad depressed nutters who just want to leave a mark on history by somehow pretending that they've found something that makes their life worthwhile and makes them feel more needed than others, really Marxism and other stuff is full of Hippocricy and so on.

You dont need this BS in your life, Just live life be a good person be honest be caring and have respect for others,

thats all "my opinion" do not intend to offend anyone by that.

Genghis

(Now back to my Soulja Boi Playlist) hehe..

[kenney]

always good to see your responses Genghis lol man, me and you could talk about politics for hours lol ye most of these sort of things are thought of by nut jobs haha but in fairness, i dont think the Marxist ideology is anywhere near as hypocritical as that of a capitalist economy. whilst i dont support communism, i certainly dont support corruption for the purpose of money. as for the BNP, it doesnt take an expert to realise that they are nutcases lol but unfortunately i think alot of voters are swaying over to their side...

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by kenney

always good to see your responses Genghis lol man, me and you could talk about politics for hours lol ye most of these sort of things are thought of by nut jobs haha but in fairness, i dont think the Marxist ideology is anywhere near as hypocritical as that of a capitalist economy. whilst i dont support communism, i certainly dont support corruption for the purpose of money. as for the BNP, it doesnt take an expert to realise that they are nutcases lol but unfortunately i think alot of voters are swaying over to their side...

Agree totally,

"Corruption for the purpose of money"

sadly thats what nowadays this world is built on corruption, the aim is always money,

"The poor will get poorer & The Rich will get Richer"

I see it everyday and I always will remember that^^..

The world is f'ed up full stop. Ya just gotta deal with it day by day.. remember a Politician is a saint on t.v. and in front of the press but most of the time he's a demon behind close doors.. << I see that with most politicians and world leaders

[kenney]

exactly man ^^^ and thats why i see more sense in a lot of left wing 'radical' political philosophies - hence my love for Rage Against The Machine lol

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by kenney

exactly man ^^^ and thats why i see more sense in a lot of left wing 'radical' political philosophies - hence my love for Rage Against The Machine lol

ahhh.. I just wanted to know whats "Rage against the Machine"? is it a video game or somefin?

[kenney]

Originally Posted by Genghis

ahhh.. I just wanted to know whats "Rage against the Machine"? is it a video game or somefin?

its a good job there's 40-50miles between us - otherwise, i would bitch slap your ass into next week lol its a band. not your sort of music but you would love their lyrics. i'll dig some up for ya

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by kenney

its a good job there's 40-50miles between us - otherwise, i would bitch slap your ass into next week lol its a band. not your sort of music but you would love their lyrics. i'll dig some up for ya

lol I googled it, its a rock band I get ya now =P

[kenney]

The world is my expense
The cost of my desire
Jesus blessed me with its future
And I protect it with fire
So raise your fists
And march around
Just don't take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or I'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name

Hey, hey
Sleep now in the fire

Hey, hey
Sleep now in the fire

The lie is my expense
The scope of my desire
The party blessed me with its future
And I protect it with fire
I am the Nina The Pinta The Santa Maria
The noose and the rapist
The fields overseer
The agents of orange
The priests of Hiroshima
The cost of my desire
Sleep now in the fire

Hey, hey
Sleep now in the fire

Hey, hey
Sleep now in the fire

For it's the end of history
It's caged and frozen still
There is no other pill to take
So swallow the one
That made you ill
The Nina The Pinta The Santa Maria
The noose and the rapist
The fields overseer
The agents of orange
The priests of Hiroshima
The cost of my desire
To Sleep now in the fire

here's the video:


the lead vocalist (Zack De La Rocha) is the guy in my avatar

[mr_bhana]

The guy in you're avatar looks a lil like Rio Ferdinand when he's just pulled out his braids lol

So you guys are saying that Marxists believe that Capitalists, try and exploit people with a lower socio economic status and degrade them?

[kenney]

exactly! the 'classical' Marxist view on things is incredibly outdated though, it dates back to mid 19th century but there are loads of up to date variations

[tigeraj2]

marxism.... does not work... because there is no incentive for people to try to work hard and better themselves. back when english explorers were making settlements in the united states they had a common store system. which comprised of everyone farming and hunting and putting their food in a big common store and no matter how much you put in you only got a certain amout out... for instance whether you work really hard and put in 5 pounds of corn or you slack and put 1 pound you still get 2 pounds... so what is the incentive to work hard?? the answer is that there is none.. that is why everything was going terrible and everyone was starving until john smith came in and put in capitalism.. and said he who does not work does not eat.