Why are these foods bad on a cut diet?

usctrojans · 07-10-2009, 05:00 PM

I was just wondering if someone could tell me why drinking milk, eating fruit and eating whole wheat bread is not recommended while on a cut diet? I ask this question because I've read and also heard numerous people say that you should stay away from these foods while on a cutting cycle. I'm not too sure why, because I always thought fat free milk would be a good source of lean protein and that whole wheat bread is way better than regular bread. And how could you go wrong with good ol' fruit anyways?

I currently weigh 182 lbs. and would like to cut and I've been told that I should consume around 210 grams of protein while cutting. I'll post my diet so that you'll have a better idea as to what my diet looks like.

(Note) I start work at 3:00 a.m.

Meal #1 (2:30 a.m.)-6 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 1 cup of oats and 16 oz. glass of water.

Meal#2 (5:30 a.m.) 1 1/2 scoops ON protein shake and 1 cup of oats

Meal#3 (7:45 a.m.) Chicken breast, 1/2 cup brown rice and broccoli and 32 oz. cup of water

Meal#4 (10:30 a.m.) 1 can of tuna w/salsa and 16 oz. water

Meal#5 [POST WORKOUT] (1:30 p.m.) 48 gram protein shake, 1 teaspoon creatine

Meal#6 (4:30 p.m.) Chicken breast or two cans of tuna with veggies and glass of water

Meal#7 [Before bed] (6:30 p.m.) 1/2 cup of cottage cheese

Please let me know what I should add or take out. Also, is the oats in meal numbers one and two ok eaten that close together?

Please bare with me, as I'm still learning how to eat right, so I might have more questions in the near future.

Thanks fellas

**Freak** · 07-10-2009, 05:22 PM

Fruit is a monosaccharide and is fructose. Check out the fructose primer in the nutrition section - sticky.

Most whole wheat and even whole grain breads.. their first ingredient is high fructose corn syrup. - again see fructose primer.

Milk (lactose) disaccharide - and it makes a lot of people bloated as well.

**chrispghmuscle** · 07-10-2009, 05:38 PM

Freak I have a whole grain with no HFCS, it has Molasses as its ingredient..

**Freak** · 07-10-2009, 05:41 PM

Good job on no HFCS but I'm not sure if that is actually any better. It's similar to sucrose but depends on what blend that company uses could have the same ratio of glucose/fructose as HFCS.

**chrispghmuscle** · 07-10-2009, 05:51 PM

huh, damn... Thought it might have been better.. its grainier that's for sure...

**Freak** · 07-10-2009, 06:08 PM

That main thing to check is if "whole grain" is listed as the first ingredient. If that checks out then just see how much further down the list is molasses or HFCS.

**chrispghmuscle** · 07-10-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Freak

That main thing to check is if "whole grain" is listed as the first ingredient. If that checks out then just see how much further down the list is molasses or HFCS.

It's the first ingredient, yeah it's listed as molasses...

usctrojans · 07-10-2009, 07:22 PM

I went and checked my organic whole wheat bread ingredients and this is what it has listed first:

organic whole wheat flour, water, organic honey, organic sugar........

It's the Kirkland brand from Costco

What's the big difference between organic and nonorganic?

**chrispghmuscle** · 07-10-2009, 07:23 PM

additives added

usctrojans · 07-10-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by chrispghmuscle

additives added

That's not necessarily always a good thing is it?

**Freak** · 07-10-2009, 07:52 PM

USC both of those breads suck. Only eat white bread and only eat that post wo.

usctrojans · 07-10-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Freak

USC both of those breads suck. Only eat white bread and only eat that post wo.

Thanks. White bread it is.

GettinITDone · 07-10-2009, 09:42 PM

What about homemade whole wheat bread?

**Freak** · 07-10-2009, 09:45 PM

Key word, whole WHEAT. wheat is not the same as grain. We want whole grain. Overall, breads just suck.

GettinITDone · 07-10-2009, 11:07 PM

Well what about 100% whole grain wheat bread?

**Freak** · 07-10-2009, 11:32 PM

Check the ingredient label as I outlined in the posts above and you might be good to go.

**ZiR RED** · 07-11-2009, 08:53 AM

Choose low fructose fruit and eat it morning and post workout.

Berries, banana's, melon.

Apples are higher in fructose.

Fruit in moderation is good.

Br

**Freak** · 07-11-2009, 02:00 PM

I disagree with fruit post wo. One piece of fruit, a banana or something is ok because low levels of fructose have actually been shown to activate glucokinase and act a signal to get glucose metabolism going. Important to remember fructokinase is a fructose specific enzyme found almost exclusively in the liver and that skeletal muscle cannot phosphorylize/metabolize fructose due to no fructokinase at skeletal muscle sites. High fructose intakes will lead to triglyceride synthesis.

**ZiR RED** · 07-11-2009, 07:10 PM

Yes, high fructose intakes will.

You forget, however, than liver glyocogen is partially depleted following exercise, especiall during reduced calorie diets, and fructose can be stored as liver glycogen.

My main point was not all together to avoid fruit, but rather consume the low-fructose varieties in moderation. Synthetic fructose (HFC's, table sugar, etc.), however, should be avoided.

Br

**Freak** · 07-11-2009, 10:45 PM

Yeah I know its partially depleted and thus activating glucokinase will help it fill faster; get a synergistic effect.

I think we are on the same page.

usctrojans · 07-12-2009, 02:03 AM

Is a baked russet potato bad as a part of a post workout meal. A friend of mine told me he drinks a 45-50 gram protein shake and eats a potato right after his workouts. I think he said he eats the potato becuase of something about an insulin boost or something like that. Is there any truth to the part about the insulin boost?

**Moro** · 07-12-2009, 02:32 AM

Im not sure what russet is but if its a white potato then its good to start replenishing glycogen stores with and bring for a nice insulin spike to help bring nutrients into your muscles faster, i remember ibanezman used to be a big fan of a baked potato or 3 after a workout

usctrojans · 07-12-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Moro

Im not sure what russet is but if its a white potato then its good to start replenishing glycogen stores with and bring for a nice insulin spike to help bring nutrients into your muscles faster, i remember ibanezman used to be a big fan of a baked potato or 3 after a workout

Here's what a russet potato is:

Russet Burbank potato - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Would this be considered a white potato?

**Freak** · 07-12-2009, 02:51 AM

Yes that's a white potato and yes its fine for post wo.

usctrojans · 07-12-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Freak

Yes that's a white potato and yes its fine for post wo.

Thanks man.

usctrojans · 07-13-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Freak

USC both of those breads suck. Only eat white bread and only eat that post wo.

Can you explain to me a little why white bread is good for you post w.o.? Does it have the same affect that a white potatoe has and if it does should I just eat either one or the other?

My post work out meal:

48 gram protein shake

creatine in grape juice

baked potato

**Freak** · 07-13-2009, 05:22 PM

White bread/white potato will both cause a rapid rise in blood sugar eliciting insulin; which is the goal post wo. Either is fine, bread is more convenient imo.

usctrojans · 07-13-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Freak

White bread/white potato will both cause a rapid rise in blood sugar eliciting insulin; which is the goal post wo. Either is fine, bread is more convenient imo.

Hate to be a bug, but how many pieces of bread should I eat? I was just trying to figure out what one potato will equal to when it comes to bread.

Also, I bought Wonder Bread Whole Grain White Bread. Hope that works.

**ZiR RED** · 07-13-2009, 06:33 PM

You need Wonder Whole Grain bread for meals. Not whole grain white.

For post workout, it depends on your overall CHO need. I would say 3-4 slices, which would be 45-60g of CHO respectively.

Br

usctrojans · 07-13-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ZiR RED

You need Wonder Whole Grain bread for meals. Not whole grain white.

For post workout, it depends on your overall CHO need. I would say 3-4 slices, which would be 45-60g of CHO respectively.

Br

I'll only be eating the whole grain white for part of my post workout meal.

Also, what does CHO mean?