Pre-workout shake

pamtj001 · 10-08-2008, 09:19 PM

hey, im doing this uni assignment on ancient grains, anyway ive got this flour called amaranth and am wondering if i can but it in a pre-workout shake for carbs, or is that not a good idea?

yosahab · 10-09-2008, 11:09 AM

I'm not familiar with it but if it is fast burning I would say to save it for your post-workout shake......I'm not a big fan of pre-workout carbs, maybe a no-xplode type product before if you need extra energy....

prime52 · 10-09-2008, 07:23 PM

i know of some ppl eating about 1.5 hours before workout and then consuming a "preworkout" shake about 30-45 mins before workout.

personally eating preworkout comes before preworkout shake. but if the shake is like a weight gainer with high cal high carbs with creatine aimnos and what not then if can give it a shot.

**MikeNYY420** · 10-09-2008, 10:14 PM

Pre workout have a fast digesting protein so that your body has the protein and aminos needed during the workout. Also have a lot of complex carbs for energy. I'm not sure what the grain you're talking about is, but if it's a complex carb go with it.

**tim290280** · 10-10-2008, 08:56 AM

The Tipton research showed that pre-workout anything remotely complicated actually had no benefit over PWO. The benefits of pre-WO nutrition came from essential aminos and simple carbs being consumed immediately prior.
Pre-workout nutrition

pamtj001 · 10-10-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tim290280

The Tipton research showed that pre-workout anything remotely complicated actually had no benefit over PWO. The benefits of pre-WO nutrition came from essential aminos and simple carbs being consumed immediately prior.

thanks for that mate, just to clarify u saying take eaa only for pre-workout shake not complex carbs?

**MikeNYY420** · 10-10-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tim290280

The Tipton research showed that pre-workout anything remotely complicated actually had no benefit over PWO. The benefits of pre-WO nutrition came from essential aminos and simple carbs being consumed immediately prior.
Pre-workout nutrition

I don't think that that study means that complex carbs aren't useful pre workout, it mostly talks about the effectiveness of amino acids pre WO. Correct me if I missed something.

But from what I can tell it's saying that amino acids pre workout are effective, but they're be just as effective without the simple carbs. A complex carb wouldn't alter the effect of the amino acids, and (from what I see) there's nothing really talking about simple carbs being good.

**tim290280** · 10-10-2008, 11:49 AM

^^ As far as I can understand the carbs are for energy and need to be quick digesting and absorbed. So essentially sugars.

The protein is only the essential amminos because they stimulate the protein synthesis with exercise.

I can't say this nutrition stuff is my strong point, so any refs or full texts would help the discussion.

**MikeNYY420** · 10-10-2008, 11:56 AM

I'm stronger with nutrition than training. You're with training than nutrition, I think that's fair to say. I've been told by a few knowledgeable people that complex carbs post workout are the way to go, but let's see what someone else says.

**tim290280** · 10-10-2008, 12:04 PM

^^ yes. Sorry I was meaning in the pre-workout. PWO I think it is down to getting easily digested stuff, but complete sources. Even casein has been shown to have great PWO advantages long term as it is released over such a long time frame. So I'd assume similar for carbs wouldn't be out of the question.

**MikeNYY420** · 10-10-2008, 12:54 PM

Yeah I know you were talking about pre workout. Casein soy and whey have all been shown to be better Post workout when taken together, 60% whey 30% soy, 10% casein.

KM · 10-11-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tim290280

^^ yes. Sorry I was meaning in the pre-workout. PWO I think it is down to getting easily digested stuff, but complete sources. Even casein has been shown to have great PWO advantages long term as it is released over such a long time frame. So I'd assume similar for carbs wouldn't be out of the question.

Where did you hear this bro?

Hydrolyzed protein consumption pwo effects cortisol secretion, glucagon, etc. Taking casein really won't do much, not sure if any source can contradict this. Carbs post workout need to be nothing but glycotic. Speeds of different carbs/molecular weights really isn't signif. if the average diet is competent.

Also, don't really see a point of simple sugars pre workout. Most will release 'slin but prior to exercise, where as dextrose during the workout is directed to muscle glycogen.

So imo,

Complex complete carbs 1.5hrs or so pre workout seems sufficient.