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Old 05-03-2008, 01:01 AM   #31
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take in maltose or glucose after a workout within 15 minutes to spike insulin.
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Old 05-03-2008, 01:15 PM   #32
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take in maltose or glucose after a workout within 15 minutes to spike insulin.
Maltose and maltodextrin are two different figures, with a different atomic chain. Maltose is a disachharide with a smaller glycosidic chain, where maltodextrin is a polysaccharide (very closely resembling a complex carb).

As glucose is "added", is when the dextrins are formed to what we call maltodextrin.

This is a generalization.
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Old 05-03-2008, 01:35 PM   #33
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2. Maltodextrin. Common misconception, it is (so I've been told) that it is a complex carb, with an unusually small molecular chain; of glucose. Passes through gut, the glucose is broken down and walla! You have an insulin spike.

Maltodextrin is metabolized slower, thus meaning the drop of BGL will be slower than with dextrose.

What are you saying here KM, that it is a complex carb or a simple carb.

(Its been a while since I read this so my termanology will be shite here lol)

From what I can remember it is a complex carb, the thing that makes carbs simple or complex is the way they are made up. Simple carbs is one sugar or two combined and which can be immediatly digested even if its two sugars joined because the digestive enzymes has instant acces to the bond holding them together. Complex carbs are usually twenty or more sugars joined together to form a chain which means the digestive enzymes have to break down the bonds to make them into single sugars before they can be digested properly.

The reason maltodextrin is considered a simple carbs is because the bonds that hold the sugars together are very weak which means there easy and quickly broken meaning they are effectivly single sugars. However it is a complex carb because the sugars are joined together.

Correct me if im wrong here because its been a while since ive read it but thats what I can remember.
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Old 05-03-2008, 02:58 PM   #34
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what foods contain those is what i'm asking lol
A banana, according to Nutrition Data, has more glucose than fructose, so that is seemingly a good choice.
 
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Old 05-03-2008, 03:02 PM   #35
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only problem with a banana is it's going to do more for your liver glycogen than muscle
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What are you saying here KM, that it is a complex carb or a simple carb.

(Its been a while since I read this so my termanology will be shite here lol)

From what I can remember it is a complex carb, the thing that makes carbs simple or complex is the way they are made up. Simple carbs is one sugar or two combined and which can be immediatly digested even if its two sugars joined because the digestive enzymes has instant acces to the bond holding them together. Complex carbs are usually twenty or more sugars joined together to form a chain which means the digestive enzymes have to break down the bonds to make them into single sugars before they can be digested properly.

The reason maltodextrin is considered a simple carbs is because the bonds that hold the sugars together are very weak which means there easy and quickly broken meaning they are effectivly single sugars. However it is a complex carb because the sugars are joined together.

Correct me if im wrong here because its been a while since ive read it but thats what I can remember.
Couple things:

First, maltodextrin is considered a complex carbohydrate, with a generally shorter molecular chain than the casual complex carb. The atomic chain consists of loosely bonded glucose molecules, which allows the dextrins to be absorbed through the stomach (gut) and instantly into the blood stream.

Difference amongst the two (dextrin and complex carbs), the carbohydrate to fiber ratio. Most commonly for breads, it's 6:1. However, fiber delays digestion. Which brings me to my next point.

Complex carbs, containing fiber, or fibrous carbs..result in a longer digestion rate. Before maltodextrin can be utilized, it must pass through the liver; to break down the bonds between the glucose.

Second, if you're specifically talking about two sugar molecules bonded together forming a disachharide, that's an over generalization. Simple sugars like sucrose or lactose contain 1 molecule of glucose, example:

Sucrose = glucose + fructose
Lactose = glucose + galactose
Maltose = glucose + glucose

That said, fructose and galactose are used to restore liver glycogen (GI reading of galactose is higher than fructose but lower than sucrose). Which leads to maltose, with an additional glucose molecules as an option (of course as well as dextrose) maltose is then turned to maltodextrin. Which are our two options for an insulin spike pwo; dextrose and maltodextrin.

...I'm sure we're both wrong somewhere, so correct me as well. Mistakes are how you learn.
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Old 05-03-2008, 05:24 PM   #37
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Couple things:

First, maltodextrin is considered a complex carbohydrate, with a generally shorter molecular chain than the casual complex carb. The atomic chain consists of loosely bonded glucose molecules, which allows the dextrins to be absorbed through the stomach (gut) and instantly into the blood stream.

Difference amongst the two (dextrin and complex carbs), the carbohydrate to fiber ratio. Most commonly for breads, it's 6:1. However, fiber delays digestion. Which brings me to my next point.

Complex carbs, containing fiber, or fibrous carbs..result in a longer digestion rate. Before maltodextrin can be utilized, it must pass through the liver; to break down the bonds between the glucose.

Second, if you're specifically talking about two sugar molecules bonded together forming a disachharide, that's an over generalization. Simple sugars like sucrose or lactose contain 1 molecule of glucose, example:

Sucrose = glucose + fructose
Lactose = glucose + galactose
Maltose = glucose + glucose

That said, fructose and galactose are used to restore liver glycogen (GI reading of galactose is higher than fructose but lower than sucrose). Which leads to maltose, with an additional glucose molecules as an option (of course as well as dextrose) maltose is then turned to maltodextrin. Which are our two options for an insulin spike pwo; dextrose and maltodextrin.

...I'm sure we're both wrong somewhere, so correct me as well. Mistakes are how you learn.
Good info mate reps are coming your way,

I just dont think I read into this in as much detail as you have lol but it does seem we are on the same page now
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Good info mate reps are coming your way,

I just dont think I read into this in as much detail as you have lol but it does seem we are on the same page now
Thanks bro, we are. Trust me, this shit is hard. I think I ask questions more than anyone on here about nutrition. Luckily, once I've figured it out, I got it down. It's a working process, and you're DEFINITELY up there.

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Thanks bro, we are. Trust me, this shit is hard. I think I ask questions more than anyone on here about nutrition. Luckily, once I've figured it out, I got it down. It's a working process, and you're DEFINITELY up there.

Yea ano its alot of work lol
Zir has showed me some good books im gonna get, once I get these and start reading I should be completly clued up on alot of things lol
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thanks for posting that KM

i bookmarked this page

very helpful stuff

i'm gonna read it again later so it can stay in my head.
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only problem with a banana is it's going to do more for your liver glycogen than muscle
That is wrong according to the available information i have. Nutrition Data is a pretty reliable source that i have come across, and the info they provide says that there is more glucose than fructose, meaning a higher amount of muscle glycogen restoration.

Got any links to research that disputes this? Because id love to see more then just regurgitated info from board members.
 
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