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Old 04-15-2008, 02:20 PM   #1
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Okay, i think i have a pretty good handle on things right now for a workout day meal plan.

Meal 1: A sugar is fine in low quantities first thing in the morning to fight off catabolism of muscle caused by waking up. So, i go for about 8-12 grams of sugar here in a meal. Usually a yogurt.I usually wait about 10-15 minutes after this food item to eat my next one.
The next thing i focus on is fiber and low-glycemic carbs with a large amount of protein. Studies have shown that breakfast high in protein is more likely to keep you full longer then breakfasts that are higher in carbs.

Meal 2: (Usually my pre-workout meal): I focus on low glycemic carbs here, oatmeal, sweet potato, etc. I also get a slow-digesting protein, ie, not whey, here usually. Sometimes i mix. Like, oatmeal with milk and whey. For both, i aim for about 25+ grams of carbs at least, and about 15-20 grams of protein at least.

Meal 2.5 (Workout food): i usually sip on some gatorade mix here.

*Meal 3: (Post-workout): Focus on causing an insulin spike, so simple sugars, but mainly focus on replenishing muscle glycogen, so waxy maize (yea?), dextrose, and malto-dextrin are things to aim for. Fruits are typically high in sucrose or fructose, so not optimal. You also want to feed muscles BCAAs and protein fast. I usually have a mixture dextrose with whey protein. I also like having a source of anti-oxidants here. Sometimes i eat a banana for that purpose, though my bananas are usually pretty ripe (i like them when nothing is green on the skin, and brown spots are common on the skin of the bananas i eat). Are there any sources of anti-oxidants here that would cause an insulin response (or not hinder one really) AND perhaps focus on muscle glycogen?

*Meal 4 (about 45-60 minutes after meal 3): I focus on a low amount of low-glycemic carbs here, sometimes it is about a half serving of brown rice or whole wheat pasta. I usually shoot for about 10-20 grams of carbs here. This serves to keep my body from crashing on energy because of the insulin response, and my body can really absorb the nutrients here easily. I also tend to get a small amount of protein here, trying not to fill my body too much. Usually i shoot for about 15-20 grams of protein at least in this meal. I have also started having some fats here as well. Peanut butter or some olive oil or some walnuts here. I figure that this doesnt need to be a super-fast digesting meal, right? Maybe im causing a hindrance to my body's natural ability to uptake nutrients fast by doing so.

*Meal 5 (Usually not that long after meal 4, maybe 2 hours max usually): Focus on fats and protein. Stay away from anything with lots of sugar or high in carbs. I tend to focus on mixed veggies with some slow digesting proteins or lean cuts of meats with a fat. Olive oil, nuts, or peanut butter.

*Meal 6: Same as above really.

*Meal 7 (Pre-Bed): Focus on slow digesting foods. So, fats and casein protein sources here. I usually shoot for about 20 grams of protein total, with cottage cheese as my main source of protein. I sometimes have a serving of peanut butter or some walnuts here.


I know to stay anabolic, i want each meal to have AT LEAST 10 grams of protein. I also know that fats should be focused later in the day, and kept away from insulin responses and large amounts of carbs.

Lets discuss this. Break down how you think meals should go and pick about mine.
 
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Old 04-15-2008, 02:26 PM   #2
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What's ur bodyweight? cuz 10g seems a lil low for protein for each meal at least
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Old 04-15-2008, 04:20 PM   #3
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What's ur bodyweight? cuz 10g seems a lil low for protein for each meal at least
That is bare minimum. I never aim for it really. But its just what i have to eat to pass 30 minutes to an hour if i need it.


i weigh 148 if it matters though.
 
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Old 04-15-2008, 09:09 PM   #4
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then i'd say go for about 20 to 25 each meal for it to be spread out.

that's for a bulk though.

but yeah, there ya go :)
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:37 PM   #5
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I dont quite understand why you get more carbs than protein in esp meal 2.And why do you sip on Gatorade there is much bettter stuff out there
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Old 04-16-2008, 12:41 PM   #6
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I dont quite understand why you get more carbs than protein in esp meal 2.And why do you sip on Gatorade there is much bettter stuff out there
Carbs fuel a workout, where as protein isnt the main source typically.


I sip on Gatorade because i dont want to make my own mixture, and everything else is expensive. Im not rolling in money, and Gatorade powder is pretty cheap and extremely effective for what i want.

It provides potassium, dextrose, sodium, and electrolytes. And its backed by science.
 
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Old 04-16-2008, 01:54 PM   #7
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Try Accelerade.

It's much better
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Old 04-16-2008, 04:24 PM   #8
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Try Accelerade.

It's much better
Its not widely produced nor available yet, i guess it didnt quite catch on. And, its in the sports drink market that is absolutely dominated by two products, which means it is pretty hard to get a solid footing.

Plus, its pretty darn expensive comparatively.
 
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Old 04-16-2008, 06:13 PM   #9
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It's catching on hardcore in sort of an underground way

but I def get what you mean
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I still don't understand the point of this post.

If you know when and when to eat your meals, why do you need us to tell you. Is this a way to preach what you've learned? If you wanna discuss list the typical foods eaten with each meal. Then we can have a discussion. You have the info down, let's put the optimal foods in each meal you eat. This could turn out to be an awesome post for people looking for a direct meal plan.
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Old 04-17-2008, 07:11 AM   #11
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I still don't understand the point of this post.

If you know when and when to eat your meals, why do you need us to tell you. Is this a way to preach what you've learned? If you wanna discuss list the typical foods eaten with each meal. Then we can have a discussion. You have the info down, let's put the optimal foods in each meal you eat. This could turn out to be an awesome post for people looking for a direct meal plan.
Because just like alot of things, i have questions still about the nutrient timing. For most people, this is the hardest part to get down. They know what they need to eat, but they just dont know when to eat it during the day. Same point here.

The point was to get yalls opinion of my nutrient timing plan that i have tweaked over the year and a half or so of research and tips. I obviously asked questions in the post itself as well. And id like to see some other peoples nutrient timing plans.
 
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