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Old 03-18-2008, 12:54 AM   #1
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I stop eating at 7pm since I'm on the cut and I usually have my shake around 1030 or 1100. I get up at 700 or 800 am, depending on the day, so I think I get enough sleep but I have a question about if I'm waiting too long after my last meal to have the Casein?

I know it's long-release protein, but does that mean I could take it say at 9 pm, when my next meal WOULD be but ISN'T because I've stopped eating after 7?

Thank you very much.
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:58 AM   #2
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12 hours with only a shake? what do you think...

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Old 03-18-2008, 01:32 AM   #3
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But if I'm on a cut and have to stop eating at 7 pm?? I don't think I have many options, unless you're suggesting I wake up at like 2 am for a chicken sandwich?
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:52 AM   #4
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But if I'm on a cut and have to stop eating at 7 pm?? I don't think I have many options, unless you're suggesting I wake up at like 2 am for a chicken sandwich?
Why are you not eating after 7 pm? No, no, no, this no. NOOO NOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Your on a cut yes, that doesn't mean to stop eating whole meals after 7. More of your carbs early in the day, but keep getting your protein in during the night. The casien will afford you around 4-6 hours of digestion time, so before you sleep.
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Old 03-18-2008, 06:34 AM   #5
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yeah man, u need to stay anabolic constantly! so just get ur protein in there in the form of shakes before bed cuz u need it man.
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Old 03-18-2008, 09:12 AM   #6
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Aww fuck.

Well at least I know now!

Big thanks guys.... protein here I come...
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Old 03-18-2008, 11:13 AM   #7
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have some egg whites or a couple of cans of tuna. easy and quick
 
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:04 PM   #8
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Aww fuck.

Well at least I know now!

Big thanks guys.... protein here I come...
I know i specifically have told you that you dont need to stop eating after 7 on a cut.
 
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:24 PM   #9
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Well every book and mag I've read about nutrition say not to eat after 7 pm, "it puts on fat even if it is protein, your body is resting, it won't have any opportunity to use the protein and it will be converted to fat."

So is this BS, or are there a whole new set of rules for BBers?
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Old 03-18-2008, 01:59 PM   #10
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Well every book and mag I've read about nutrition say not to eat after 7 pm, "it puts on fat even if it is protein, your body is resting, it won't have any opportunity to use the protein and it will be converted to fat."

So is this BS, or are there a whole new set of rules for BBers?
I believe its just pure BS. There is no reason to assume that your body doesnt use proteins at night, even at rest. Your body doesnt shut off. It goes into a lower-energy stasis, but it doesnt completely turn off.
 
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:04 PM   #11
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Eating Before Bed

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Old 03-18-2008, 02:42 PM   #12
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Wow, great links!

EDIT: Only 2 or 3 were really helpful, and the AskMen one told me not to eat at night, so that doesn't support your claim...

A few other questions I've developed:

1. Only 1 casein shake, 1 is plenty, right? And I've only heard it being recommended for "before sleep," is this true because all it is is a slow-release protein?

2. If I need to be anabolic for as many hours as possible, does that mean having other protein snacks like 1/5 lb chicken ready to eat when I wake up at 3 am or 5 am or whatever? I'm OK with waking up to an alarm in the wee hours, but is this the best course for trying to be anabolic?

3. While being anabolic, should my largest meals be for breakfast and all of the post-workout meals and then after the work out and the post, should my meals get smaller and smaller until the next day comes up? So what I mean is, should my 'wake up early at 3 am' protein be really small like 20 grams, or should it be like my other protein portions, around 35-40 grams?
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Old 03-18-2008, 10:21 PM   #13
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