[Smooth Operator]

why is it so important to eat actual foods if you can get similar nutritional value through shakes...what are the facts behind this?

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

why is it so important to eat actual foods if you can get similar nutritional value through shakes...what are the facts behind this?

Shakes as in what? Powder mixes with milk/water/aqueous solutions?

Or are we talking about Milk, Peanut Butter, Eggs, Banana, Whey protein, and some Old Fashioned Oats all mixed in a shake and then blended?

[assassin4010]

protein powders are man-made by companies..whole foods are natural and have things that protein powder doesn't, protein is still good but you aren't going to gain real mass or muscle relying on protein powder. it's good to have a wide-range diet

[ZackKnight]

Food gives you sustinance. If all you take is shakes your body is going to have a bad reaction because of the fact that food fills us up and gives us a feeling of satisfaction. Why do you think our world revolves around eating together? It's a comfort issue. It's also a nutrient issue, but for the most part we eat food because of comfort and good feelings. When you eat well and enjoy it with people then ur going to feel better.

Basically there's a nutrient issue here because you get a lot of your nutrients and other vitamins and minerals from food, but the other half is a comfort and happiness issue.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by ZackKnight

Food gives you sustinance. If all you take is shakes your body is going to have a bad reaction because of the fact that food fills us up and gives us a feeling of satisfaction. Why do you think our world revolves around eating together? It's a comfort issue. It's also a nutrient issue, but for the most part we eat food because of comfort and good feelings. When you eat well and enjoy it with people then ur going to feel better.

Basically there's a nutrient issue here because you get a lot of your nutrients and other vitamins and minerals from food, but the other half is a comfort and happiness issue.

However, not everyone is going to eat their 5-8 meals a day with another person, whole food or not. A part of the reason whole foods also give us that full feeling, even if we arent, is the fiber and fats. Fats specifically release a hormone in our body telling us we are full. So, if you have a fat in your shake, you will probably get that full feeling.


However, studies have shown that liquid diets lead to people eating more, because they dont stay as full as long as if they ate a whole meal. I dont remember if fats were involved in this study though. Id say it wasnt, or at least not to the point where it really made a difference.

[musclemaniac uk]

whole foods provide a wider range of amino acids that cannot be obtained from just supplements.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by musclemaniac uk

whole foods provide a wider range of amino acids that cannot be obtained from just supplements.

I dont know about this to be honest. The only lack of amino acids i have ever known about is strict vegetarian diets because there are some amino acids that ONLY come from animals, so some vegetarians would have to avoid that sort of supplement because it is from a cow or chicken or goat or whatever.


Of course, im just playing devil's advocate here. Whole foods 8 times out of 10 provide a better amino acid profile than a powder supplement will. But that doesnt mean someone using just supplements wouldnt be able to obtain those aminos.

[ZackKnight]

All in all, just eat whole foods for the most part and supplement with shakes. Shakes are supplements for a reason. You need to get almost all of your vitamins, proteins, carbohydrates, lipids (fats), and minerals from whole food, and anything else you can't get from that just use supplements, but don't over do them. They're supplemental to your diet. Always remember that.

[Thomas_Rivera]

food has a much higher bioavailability than supplements and powders can afford someone. Look on a container of your standard mutlivitamin, your bound to see stuff with well over 100% of your daily needs. Even potassium pills for example, for their relative size they have a dismal amount of potassium per a serving.

There are some considerations though, some companies make higher quality protein powders and supplements in general than other ones. It was funny how I saw whey protein concentrate on a container of baby formula my cousin had for his son and I told him I get they whey protein isolate :)

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

food has a much higher bioavailability than supplements and powders can afford someone. Look on a container of your standard mutlivitamin, your bound to see stuff with well over 100% of your daily needs. Even potassium pills for example, for their relative size they have a dismal amount of potassium per a serving.

There are some considerations though, some companies make higher quality protein powders and supplements in general than other ones. It was funny how I saw whey protein concentrate on a container of baby formula my cousin had for his son and I told him I get they whey protein isolate :)

Yea, specifically WPI has a higher bio-availability protein wise than anything else out there. While whey protein mixes are just a tad bit higher than regular old eggs.

Whey protein concentrate is in almost everything these days it seems.

[TheWall]

Also to mention a health fact. If you go to an all liquid diet, you see this alot with long term tube fed patients at hospitals, you are more likely do develop problems in your stomach. Your stomach is more active when it knows it has to digests whole food than it does by just passing a whey protein shake onto the intestines. If your stomach works less and less every day because you do nothing but a (or a majority of a) liquid diet, you will develop long term problems.

Some of these include better chances of ulcers to sever stomach infections.

Granted, hospital tubes are usually fed through the outside of the abdominal wall which infact leads to more chances of infection. But even tube feeding through the nose will cause problems in the stomach for people on it long term.

This is why doctors have patients each different odds and ends like jello and puddings. These make the stomach not forget how to digest a solid diet.

Go Geek,
TheWall

[bulk then cut]

and did you guys know optimum whey says on the label *WARNING* do not use a a sole source of nutrition.

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by TheWall

Also to mention a health fact. If you go to an all liquid diet, you see this alot with long term tube fed patients at hospitals, you are more likely do develop problems in your stomach. Your stomach is more active when it knows it has to digests whole food than it does by just passing a whey protein shake onto the intestines. If your stomach works less and less every day because you do nothing but a (or a majority of a) liquid diet, you will develop long term problems.

Some of these include better chances of ulcers to sever stomach infections.

Granted, hospital tubes are usually f