well Cyclone works good, and it only has like 3g of creatine , i had used it to gain some lean muscle , and it worked i gained 23lbs on it over four months , and i feel great , now i just started to take the two seperatly i take creatine and protein and i gained over 4lbs in one week , so i am not really sure is it bc of me loading or just that the work better sepertly , u have to decide what u want and what works best for u bro
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Records: bench 225 lbs X 6 Reps 245 lbs X 3 Reps
6ft
(170lbs) Goal :180lbs
(9%bf) Goal : 9%bf
Bicep: 39cm(15,1/4") |