[Admin]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

GI can be used as a "guide" but it's only misleading most of the mainstream people. At least that's how it is in Sweden. "Low GI-foods! Eat bacon and lots of fat and be healthy!", that's what our newspapers say here. Of course it's possible to be healthy with such foods but eatin loads of it(with little or no exercise) is just plain stupid and that's why I am no longer a GI-"fantatic" as I was before. Not that I was eatin crap like that before but I do watch my calories more now..

You should be more upset with the people that market this type of misinforamtion rather than the GI concept. THe nutrition and supplement industry is full of cpmanies exploiting a single sentence in one study performed on mice to market their products. :)

I don't even think there needs to be much of a debate. Since the beginning of this thread the majority of people understand that GI is a guide. The problem is when we take that concept and state its irrelevant which simply isn't true.

[Mulletsoldier]

Most definitely. If nobody minds then I am going to close the thread??

[Admin]

Nah, we should leave it open.

[kenney]

all this input is confusing.different people and magazines say the total opposite of each other.if people paid this much attention to training rather than nutrition,every1 would b heading for mr o

[Admin]

Originally Posted by kenney666

all this input is confusing.different people and magazines say the total opposite of each other.if people paid this much attention to training rather than nutrition,every1 would b heading for mr o

Its the other way around.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by Admin

Its the other way around.

Exactly. Diet is so overlooked it is almost sad.

[TrueOutlaw]

good read bro... i was suprised at the GI of spagetti (white) thought it would be considerbly higer than wheat

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by TrueOutlaw

good read bro... i was suprised at the GI of spagetti (white) thought it would be considerbly higer than wheat

Thanks man, I might redo the list with an average of a few agencies readings.

[kenney]

builders look the other way when it comes to precise dieting because they can't be bothered with the maths and the precision.isn't there another way to diet?

[Admin]

Originally Posted by kenney666

builders look the other way when it comes to precise dieting because they can't be bothered with the maths and the precision.isn't there another way to diet?

Umm...that is completely untrue.

[kenney]

Originally Posted by Admin

Umm...that is completely untrue.

i apologise...amateur builders look the other way

[Admin]

You are saying amatuer bb'er don't precisely measuer out their diet?!?!?!!?

[kenney]

basically speaking:people gain interest in bodybuilding,start working out and when they hear or read that they should watch what they eat,they are put off.and my question is:is there a simpler way to diet?

[Admin]

Not really. If they put off diet then they will never get anywhere in this sport. Its a pretty simple concpet. You need energy to build muscle and if you don't supply it with adequate calories in both amounts and qulaity you simply won't grow. You can get big and strong simply by shoveling in calories but the majority of people won't LOOK like a "bodybuilder" if they don't watch what types of foods the consume.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by kenney666

basically speaking

And ALL real bodybuilders pay close attention to diet regardless of status. Unless you are extrmemely gifted genetically you have too.

[kenney]

thats my point.people dont realise what dedication bodybuilding requires,and when they do,they ignore it or give up.so can you please answer my question?

[Admin]

Whats you question?!?!?!!? If there is any other way?

NO!!!

[Ando55]

It's suprising and sad how much some people can overlook the nutrition and rest part when it comes to bodybuilding, someone came up to me and asked me "what's the secret" I told them the secret mostly isn't actually the lifting itself but to concentrate more on nutrition and rest. You can lift all you want but without adequate nutrition and rest, don't expect to go far or make the best of your hard work. Going back to the GI topic, I try to incoporate good calories with not that high GI rating meals. I try to incorporate veggies in all my meals along with a good balances of fats and proteins.

[Jayhawkk]

^^Balance and proper nutrition can take you far and the long lived healthy benefits aren't too shabby either :)

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by Ando55

It's suprising and sad how much some people can overlook the nutrition and rest part when it comes to bodybuilding, someone came up to me and asked me "what's the secret" I told them the secret mostly isn't actually the lifting itself but to concentrate more on nutrition and rest. You can lift all you want but without adequate nutrition and rest, don't expect to go far or make the best of your hard work. Going back to the GI topic, I try to incoporate good calories with not that high GI rating meals. I try to incorporate veggies in all my meals along with a good balances of fats and proteins.

Very nice, balanced approach bro.

[Ando55]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Very nice, balanced approach bro.

Thanks a lot , One book that really helped to explain some stuff more in depth to me was the book called "Game Over" by Chuck Rudolph along with Marc Lobliner and Derek Charlebois. Scivation/Primaforce's book I believe and it has wonderful information and meal setups, it explains the perception that so many who are not bodybuilding savvy have about losing weight( not eating, starve to lose weight,etc.) The book uses a low GI concept along with balancing of protein, fibrous veggies, and good fats in every meal. I recommend it to all!

EDIT: Please no advertising.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by Ando55

Thanks a lot , One book that really helped to explain some stuff more in depth to me was the book called "Game Over" by Chuck Rudolph along with Marc Lobliner and Derek Charlebois. Scivation/Primaforce's book I believe and it has wonderful information and meal setups, it explains the perception that so many who are not bodybuilding savvy have about losing weight( not eating, starve to lose weight,etc.) The book uses a low GI concept along with balancing of protein, fibrous veggies, and good fats in every meal. I recommend it to all!

Derek is a definitely a very smart guy and a very dedicated natural bodybuilder.

[Ando55]

Yes he is, I'm sorry about the advertising mishap, my kindest of apologies.

[Admin]

Advanced Nutrition and Human Metabolism
by James L. Groff

I tend to go to the source, rather than the interpretations of a company.

[jaim91]

I just read this list for the first time, thank you soooo much, it is extremely helpful to have all the values of all the foods in one place. The thing that I was wondering about though is sweet potatos. They have a gi of 77. Isn't that extremely high considering they are bb-ing staples?

And I was wondering if someone could please explain (in layman's terms, to an 18 year old amateurn) the difference between the glycemic load and glycemic index and what kind of values I should be looking for for both.

Thank you !!!

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by jaim91

I just read this list for the first time, thank you soooo much, it is extremely helpful to have all the values of all the foods in one place. The thing that I was wondering about though is sweet potatos. They have a gi of 77. Isn't that extremely high considering they are bb-ing staples?

The list I used there was a little on the high side, I think I might go through and average out some of the foods. It was just the most comprehensive I took from. I have seen them as low as 57, they also have moderate-to-low Glycemic Load, which as has been stated is just as important when choosing your carbohydrates.

[net70]

i did'nt understand....
the numbers that are writein after the name of the food are those the callories they involve? or are those the carbs that they have?
and should i eat the food that has the highst numbre (according to my diet)?

[kenney]

the number is the glycaemic rating for the speed at which they digest

[Thomas_Rivera]

Very useful stuff here.

[neeshu]

thanks this will be helpful will take out a printout just now