[I 4m Legend]

Now I know this is a natural forum but I was just wondering if you would ever take steroids if there was a way to compete against others where a limiting factor would be the amount of anabolic substances you can use and not if you use. I know not to many people consider this but I think a major deterent for some natural people switching over is the worry that you would be competing against some people that abuse anabolics and overdue it for a little bit more of an edge. Im just throwing this out there because I was wondering if it was even possible to regulate. An example would be a competition that allowed no more than 500 mgs of test a week. Does such a thing exist?

This may seem like a stupid idea (and it probably is) but it seems like a plausible idea for some people that want to enhance by going a much safer route. This would probably appeal mostly to people who love bodybuilding and want to compete and do well but have very low natural levels of testosterone. Tell me what you think.

[monkeybiker]

I can't see how it could work since steroids are an illegal drug and doing a contest like that is pretty much promoting the use of them.

[MVP]

Steroids aren't illegal - I can buy Epistane right now.

It depends to answer your question; my goal isn't to be the biggest guy in the world. I simply want realistic goals that I can get all natural - a 315lb bench press, 405lb deadlift, 365lb squat @ 170lbs and no more than 12% bodyfat. Those are goals I can get all natural so I plan to train all natural. If my goal was to compete in the IFBB level or elite westside powerlifting level, then I would be required to take steroids in order to compete on the level of those who do take it. It's like taking a car and racing someone on foot, it's extremely difficult to compete with someone using anabolic assistance, making almost everyone be required to take anabolics on that level.

Steroids or prohormones are intended to simply be taken when you reach your genetic potential, which means you cannot gain more mass without steroid assistance and with hard work and dedication that should take about ten years of consistent training a biding by progressive resistance and progressive overload.

I don't condone steroid "abuse" which is 20 year old kids taking them nor do I condone people taking them without proper reference of post cycle therapy, cycle assistance and testosterone boosters.

I'm not anti-steroid; you'll find that most people that are don't know what they do or how they are effective.

[gamespy]

it depends what u want to achive, if u just want be fit in life, than there is enough supplements, but if u want compete it again depends, how much u are ready to sacrafice to achieve something - well it all depends and person and his goals.

[Cork]

Originally Posted by MVP

Steroids aren't illegal - I can buy Epistane right now.

The fact that you can buy it, doesn't make it legal. Steroids are illegal drugs.

I 4m legend, in my opinion anyone who chooses to be natural, chooses to do so as a lifestyle. What you are suggesting is that natural competitors stay natural just because they think they can't win an untested competition. Is that the only reason you would stay natural?

[mikeh40+]

steroids have no place in a natural competition period.

[MVP]

Originally Posted by Cork

The fact that you can buy it, doesn't make it legal. Steroids are illegal drugs.

I 4m legend, in my opinion anyone who chooses to be natural, chooses to do so as a lifestyle. What you are suggesting is that natural competitors stay natural just because they think they can't win an untested competition. Is that the only reason you would stay natural?

They're not all illegal, Epistane is a legal steroid; they just banned superdrol and M-DROL came up as a clone of it.

And no - I stay natural because I can achieve my goals all natural. I'm saying that most IFBB pro bodybuilders pretty much are required to take steroids to compete with those who already take them. No one can get a Ronnie Coleman look without anabolic assistance, so they use the anabolic assistance.

[I 4m Legend]

Originally Posted by mikeh40+

steroids have no place in a natural competition period.

I didnt say that this was going to be considered a natural competition.

Originally Posted by Cork

I 4m legend, in my opinion anyone who chooses to be natural, chooses to do so as a lifestyle. What you are suggesting is that natural competitors stay natural just because they think they can't win an untested competition. Is that the only reason you would stay natural?

No that is not why I would be natural, but if I were to compete in a comp I would prefer to compete as a natural. Unlike many other naturals I don't really have any problem switching over but one of my major reservations would be to just going into a competition doing a cycle and worrying about how people cycle nine months out of the year. I believe that a responsible dose with equality across the board properly regulated might be a good idea but I guess not. My theory was to regulate a certain amount or find out if this exists or ever could exist but I guess its not plausible.

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by I 4m Legend

I didnt say that this was going to be considered a natural competition.

ok,,, never mind i had to re-read your first post.. lol..

[GeorgeT]

Originally Posted by I 4m Legend

I didnt say that this was going to be considered a natural competition.



No that is not why I would be natural, but if I were to compete in a comp I would prefer to compete as a natural. Unlike many other naturals I don't really have any problem switching over but one of my major reservations would be to just going into a competition doing a cycle and worrying about how people cycle nine months out of the year. I believe that a responsible dose with equality across the board properly regulated might be a good idea but I guess not. My theory was to regulate a certain amount or find out if this exists or ever could exist but I guess its not plausible.

what i figure is that if you plan on being an IFBB pro when u switch over then yes it would be tough, however if you're looking to compete say NPC, theres weight classes so it doesn't matter how long they cycle or you cycle cuz ur the same weight anyways.

[RAGEN2008]

Steroids are not illegal drugs, they require a prescription. If you're doing anything labeled a natural competition you shouldn't touch anything listen against the natural rules.

I think there are reasons to take steroids if you want to accelerate the amount of time to get to a certain size, but if you're just a average Joe working out to have fun and get in shape, it's a high risk legally to purchase and obtain something without a prescription, getting caught with steroids in the US without a prescription is a felony, that's a pretty stiff kick in the ass.

I'd think twice about anything that can land you in prison, it isn't a nice place to be.

[projecthatch92]

Originally Posted by MVP

Steroids aren't illegal - I can buy Epistane right now.

Epistane is a prohormone, not AAS.

[Demon Knight]

Originally Posted by I 4m Legend

Now I know this is a natural forum but I was just wondering if you would ever take steroids if there was a way to compete against others where a limiting factor would be the amount of anabolic substances you can use and not if you use. I know not to many people consider this but I think a major deterent for some natural people switching over is the worry that you would be competing against some people that abuse anabolics and overdue it for a little bit more of an edge. Im just throwing this out there because I was wondering if it was even possible to regulate. An example would be a competition that allowed no more than 500 mgs of test a week. Does such a thing exist?

This may seem like a stupid idea (and it probably is) but it seems like a plausible idea for some people that want to enhance by going a much safer route. This would probably appeal mostly to people who love bodybuilding and want to compete and do well but have very low natural levels of testosterone. Tell me what you think.

Whilst I would love to progress faster through my training, bodybuilding is about health as much as looks. That's been lost along the way, instead focusing on mass and only mass. No point IMHO in being a massive guy with terrible health.

Unless I could afford some really great medical attention meaning I had little/no risk of side effects, I would not start on steroids at all.

[Ilikehooters]

how could they monitor how much u took per week or month or w/e?

[Kaboom]

Originally Posted by MVP

They're not all illegal, Epistane is a legal steroid; they just banned superdrol and M-DROL came up as a clone of it.

And no - I stay natural because I can achieve my goals all natural. I'm saying that most IFBB pro bodybuilders pretty much are required to take steroids to compete with those who already take them. No one can get a Ronnie Coleman look without anabolic assistance, so they use the anabolic assistance.

Are you trying to tell me that Ronnie is on Roids.No way!!

Originally Posted by projecthatch92

Epistane is a prohormone, not AAS.

Originally Posted by Ilikehooters

how could they monitor how much u took per week or month or w/e?

Theres no way

[Ilikehooters]

i didnt think there was therefore this kind of contest will never be a possibility

[IvanV]

You know, I had to chime in on this discussion. I am 6'2" 276 right now and I have been consistently in the gym for 1 year. i have worked out sparodically in the past but nothing like I am now. I will be 35 in July and I told myself that this is it. I basically live the philosophy, "This is your last chance to get into the best shape you have ever been in". Growing up I have always struggled with weight, being and Endomorph has it's disadvantages. Last year I weighed 307Lbs, the heaveist I had ever been. Right now I am dieting better then I have ever dieted but there are days I feel like I may need a little edge. I can take one of the various products out there that are, lets face it steroids that have not been banned as of yet and get results quickly. Regardless of this post, I will still have that battle inside me whether to do it or just stay Natural. The one thing that always smacks me into reality is this:" If I blew up using the sauce, and looked in the mirror, would I be proud of myself?" Because right now I look at the long road ahead and I also look at where I was last year and it is like my body and mind are giving me a challenge. It's saying, " Ivan, I don't think you have the balls to sustain this lifestyle natural, you can't do it! You have no heart, your too weak!" And guys, i don't back down from a challenge for anything.

Just my two sense.

[sid348]

for competitive bodybuilders, I would hope they stay as "natural" as possible. Then the recreational bodybuilders are gear it up all the can stand.
I'm not 100% opposed to the use of steroids. Although I hear that GH is a better product.

[Mr Moley]

yes.

[IvanV]

I know we would like to think that but alot of times the truth can be somewhat dissappointing. I look at it like this, everyone has a choice and if you are willing to live with that choice then I can't judge. I alaways hate when people that are really religious always make it a point to push theri views on you and make you feel bad. I don't judge, I just know that I could not live with the uncertainty and the helth risks. Just cannot honestly tell myself the Pros out weigh the Cons.

Again, to each his own.

Just my 2 sense.

[youngbodybuilder1020]

If the prescription companys cant make any money off of you because you are getting it from a unknown source than its illegal same goes with other drugs,

weed, oxy cotton and etc

[youngbodybuilder1020]

would i take juice? well at the moment my answer would be no, but who knows what will happen in the future.

[stateofmind25]

Nope. I don't judge those that do, but I never will. Too much at stake, my career in the Army being a huge factor, and preserving my health for the long term.