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Old 06-12-2007, 03:39 PM   #1
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Had a physical about a month or so ago,

BUN - 26 Creatinine = 1.2

Was feeling sick, and having issues with breathing etc, so I went back to the doctors and now my ...

BUN = 34 Creatinine = 1.6

In between these two blood tests I started a new routine where I am hitting major body parts 2 times a week where before I was hitting body parts 1 day a week. My doctor believes that my new routine is the reason that my levels have shot up. That I am producing so much muscle waste without giving my body enough time to recover, therefor releasing too much creatinine into my blood. He said that my kidneys are getting overworked. Does this seem like a correct assumption and that if I default back to my old routine, that things should go back to normal? Also , are these levels dangerously high. I am getting the itch to train again. I have been out of training for 3 days and am dying to get back in there, but I obviously dont want to risk my health by any means,

any help or experience with this situation would be extremely helpful,

thanks board
 
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Old 06-12-2007, 04:29 PM   #2
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Had a physical about a month or so ago,

BUN - 26 Creatinine = 1.2

Was feeling sick, and having issues with breathing etc, so I went back to the doctors and now my ...

BUN = 34 Creatinine = 1.6

In between these two blood tests I started a new routine where I am hitting major body parts 2 times a week where before I was hitting body parts 1 day a week. My doctor believes that my new routine is the reason that my levels have shot up. That I am producing so much muscle waste without giving my body enough time to recover, therefor releasing too much creatinine into my blood. He said that my kidneys are getting overworked. Does this seem like a correct assumption and that if I default back to my old routine, that things should go back to normal? Also , are these levels dangerously high. I am getting the itch to train again. I have been out of training for 3 days and am dying to get back in there, but I obviously dont want to risk my health by any means,

any help or experience with this situation would be extremely helpful,

thanks board
i am not a doctor or something like that but this information may help you......honestly I don’t think that you have something wrong! We as a bodybuilder do many extremes and push our bodies to the limit so our hormone levels and even our hearth is different in athletes. Check the information below and discuss it with your doctor!!!

Creatinine is a breakdown product of creatine phosphate in muscle, and is usually produced at a fairly constant rate by the body (depending on muscle mass).A higher than normal creatinine and BUN may be indicative of dehydration when BUN-to-creatinine ratio is abnormal, (are you drinking enough water????) with BUN levels rising higher than creatinine levels. Men tend to have higher levels of creatinine because they have more SKELETAL MUSCLE than women. Vegetarians tend to have lower creatinine levels, because meat contains creatine. (Also if you starting taking creatine recently this may be increasing your creatinine levels)

The typical reference ranges are 0.5 to 1.0 mg/dL (about 45-90 μmol/l) for women and 0.7 to 1.2 mg/dL (60-110 μmol/l) for men. While a baseline serum creatinine of 2.0 mg/dL (150 μmol/l) may indicate normal kidney function in a male “Bodybuilder”, a serum creatinine of 0.7 mg/dL (60 μmol/l) can indicate significant renal disease in a frail old woman.

Finally I am posting these questions that may help you!!!

1. Will exercise affect my creatinine levels?

In general, moderate exercise will not affect your creatinine levels. As you continue to exercise and build muscle mass, your creatinine levels may increase slightly, but not to abnormal levels.

2. How does diet affect creatinine levels?

In general, creatinine levels will not vary with a normal diet. Creatinine levels may be 10%-30% higher in people who eat a diet that is very high in meat.

3. What is creatine? If I take creatine, will my creatinine levels go up?

Creatine is a compound that is made primarily in the liver and then transported to your muscles, where it is used as an energy source for muscle activity. Once in the muscle, some of the creatine is spontaneously converted to creatinine. The amount of both creatine and creatinine depend on muscle mass, so men usually have higher levels than women. Creatine is now available as a dietary supplement. If you take creatine, your creatinine levels may be higher than when you do not take the supplement. You should tell your doctor about all of the dietary supplements you are taking to help her evaluate your lab results.

4. Do creatinine levels change with age?

Creatinine levels relate to both muscle mass and to kidney function. As you age, your muscle mass decreases but your kidneys tend to function less effectively. The net result is not much change in creatinine levels in the blood as you get older.

5. What is a BUN/Creatinine ratio?

Occasionally, a doctor will look at the ratio between a person’s BUN and blood creatinine to help them determine what is causing these concentrations to be higher than normal. The ratio of BUN to creatinine is usually between 10:1 and 20:1. An increased ratio may be due to a condition that causes a decrease in the flow of blood to the kidneys, such as congestive heart failure or dehydration. It may also be seen with increased protein, from gastrointestinal bleeding, or increased protein in the diet. The ratio may be decreased with liver disease (due to decrease in the formation of urea) and malnutrition.

My2Cents.....

I hope this helps....take care and be safe
 
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:57 PM   #3
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i am not a doctor or something like that but this information may help you......
From all that information you should be!!
 
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Old 06-13-2007, 09:21 AM   #4
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Old 06-13-2007, 10:45 AM   #5
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thanks guys...but i just did a litle research ......i hope that he can benefit from it
 
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Old 06-13-2007, 12:43 PM   #6
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ok, so I got my blood tests back from yesterday and my BUN = 25 and my creatinine levels = 1.3

so I am back to where I was when I had my physical over a month ago. This just tells me that the routine that I was doing must have been really wearing my body down. I am also bumping up my water to 2 gallons.

thanks for all the help and information
 
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