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Old 02-23-2008, 11:10 AM   #631
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oooo day 4 seems like a killer!!!
yes bro!!! i just did it last night and it took me like 2 hours to complete!!.....its the longest workout in my routine...i like it because of the pump i got from it... but sometimes the time factor is a problem.....my upper body is very sore right now...
 
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:17 AM   #632
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haha i bet its sore bro,, 2 hours definately is a long workout. mine are usually about an hour long if that sometimes. how do you feel the 2 hour workouts are working??
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:28 AM   #633
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haha i bet its sore bro,, 2 hours definately is a long workout. mine are usually about an hour long if that sometimes. how do you feel the 2 hour workouts are working??

Honestly i don’t know yet!...i think it’s too soon to be able to say….but it is just one workout in the week so I don’t really mind…..i have never done this much volume before and my body must be wondering what’s going on jejeje…on the other hand I like everything from it except that sometimes it takes very long…..
On time I read somewhere “that everything works but no forever” …
 
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Old 02-23-2008, 05:30 PM   #634
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Looking good fmoncas, I still can't believe those legs! Awesome work mate.

As for the workout, I'm not going to go against the knowledge of a seasoned pro like Layne, but IMHO it seems a bit too much, unless 90% of all the sets are done with a light weight and not even close to a full effort.

Adding more hard work sets for me usually results in an injury....
 
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Old 02-23-2008, 07:14 PM   #635
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Looking good fmoncas, I still can't believe those legs! Awesome work mate.

As for the workout, I'm not going to go against the knowledge of a seasoned pro like Layne, but IMHO it seems a bit too much, unless 90% of all the sets are done with a light weight and not even close to a full effort.

Adding more hard work sets for me usually results in an injury....
Demon this is a great topic to debate about!!!,,,when i started my legs suffered more …I developed a minor pain in my right knee and in the upper inner area of the leg….i thought that my body was falling apart….but after two weeks the pain subsided….however I was very careful when I was training…..i was listening to my body and when i felt that something was wrong i ended the exercise....

On the other hand I am using heavy weights (power days and hypertrophy days) but I am not going to failure in any them…..i use the heaviest weights that allow me to get the targeted reps.
 
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Old 02-24-2008, 11:16 AM   #636
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I'm glad you stop the exercise when you feel the wrong kind of pain.

As for the volume, it is debatable but if you are not going to failure (the intensity is kept moderate), you might be able to stick to it. Did Layne say you could go even easier on the hypertrophy days i.e. 3 or more reps short of failure?
 
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:00 PM   #637
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Cmart... this is the workout that i am using now...this workout was designed by layne to help me improve my weak areas. He is the mind behind the logic in this routine. ...check the attachment
Hey bro I really appreciate you posting that up because I've really been trying to get down this new Upper/Lower scheme. That day 4 of yours really looks like a killer one. Is there any particular reason why Layne chose to keep you down to a 4 day a week routine instead of splitting up that upperbody day to make it easier on you? I have been working with this setup currently:

Day 1: upper body power/strength day
Day 2: lower body power/strength day
day 3: rest
day 4: Chest & arms volume
day 5: back & shoulders volume
Day 6: lower body volume day
Day 7: rest

Making sure to go to complete failure as much as I can for day 1 and 2 and lower volume,low reps, heavier weight. Then for day 4-6 I try not to go to failure as much, although its pretty hard for me because I just don't feel right not going to failure or not giving it that much intensity. So I usually go just shy of failure on the last set per exercise on the volume day. So far my hardest adjustment is getting used to actually working more then just the one muscle group per day, due to me being in my last routine for so long. But I'm gonna stick it out!
 
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:08 PM   #638
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I'm glad you stop the exercise when you feel the wrong kind of pain.

As for the volume, it is debatable but if you are not going to failure (the intensity is kept moderate), you might be able to stick to it. Did Layne say you could go even easier on the hypertrophy days i.e. 3 or more reps short of failure?
He said that i should not train to failure...1 or 2 reps short…however this workout will be done for 8 weeks…..then he may change the exercises or something I don’t know yet….. however I have been thinking a lot and …I believe that perhaps the key factors are frequency + no working to failure...... if you look around you will notice that in all sports there are athletes with over-developed body parts because of their specific training....for example the legs of speed skaters, the calves of ballet dancers and soccer players or the backs and arms of gymnasts.....for example ..they work out their backs ( gymnasts) every day, with endless chins, using different angles, deferent intensities and reps...but something that they don’t do is train until complete failure every time…..

The problem for most of us is getting our body used to the frequency training…specially when we are used to train each body part just once a week….
 
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:15 PM   #639
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Hey bro I really appreciate you posting that up because I've really been trying to get down this new Upper/Lower scheme. That day 4 of yours really looks like a killer one. Is there any particular reason why Layne chose to keep you down to a 4 day a week routine instead of splitting up that upperbody day to make it easier on you? I have been working with this setup currently:

Day 1: upper body power/strength day
Day 2: lower body power/strength day
day 3: rest
day 4: Chest & arms volume
day 5: back & shoulders volume
Day 6: lower body volume day
Day 7: rest

Making sure to go to complete failure as much as I can for day 1 and 2 and lower volume,low reps, heavier weight. Then for day 4-6 I try not to go to failure as much, although its pretty hard for me because I just don't feel right not going to failure or not giving it that much intensity. So I usually go just shy of failure on the last set per exercise on the volume day. So far my hardest adjustment is getting used to actually working more then just the one muscle group per day, due to me being in my last routine for so long. But I'm gonna stick it out!
yes bro day 4 is pretty hard....and honestly i don’t know why he didn’t split it...i guess that is because of my weak points...i am really trying to improve my back and he may want to prioritize over the other muscle groups

On the other hand i know that is hard to workout "not till failure" but the problem if you do it all the time ..is that you will overtrain your CNS and you will stagnate....it seems that the muscuar system is really hard to overtrain but the central Nervous sistems is a different story.
 
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Old 02-29-2008, 10:44 AM   #640
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After training with all this volume i have been trying some recovery methods to help me recover faster after hard training sessions….(every body knows that proper restorative measures can make a huge difference in how fast you attain your objectives) so I have been trying Contrast Bath showers, ice massage etc…they worked pretty well but I recently started using a method that I have never used before. Is called Epsom Salt Baths!!.

I have been researching about the subject and the benefits sounds pretty interesting:

The following info was taking from an article written by coach thibadeau:

“Epsom salt is also known as magnesium sulphate. Our first restorative technique consists of bathing for 10 to 20 minutes in a warm/hot bath to which 200-400 grams of Epsom salt is added. This is a very simple and effective way to relax your muscles and decrease inflammation. It’s also a good way to increase blood magnesium levels and prevent bloating due to excessive water retention”

“A recent study conducted at the University of Birmingham found that bathing in a warm Epsom salt bath can significantly increase mean blood magnesium levels (the average improvement consisting of attaining 140,98 ppm/ml from an initial value of 104.68ppm/ml in a seven days period). This is because magnesium can be absorbed by the skin. We know that magnesium is a very important mineral for athletes, and one that we’re often deficient in. Among other things, it helps with muscle relaxation and Testosterone production.

“Epsom salt baths increase perspiration, helping to get rid of toxins and impurities. Magnesium sulphate also stimulates vasodilatation, facilitating blood flow to the muscles and helping reduce inflammation. As a result, these baths can greatly increase the rate of recovery after a hard training session and, as a bonus, they reduce muscle and joint pains associated with an excessive inflammatory response.”

“The Birmingham study found that up to 600 grams of Epsom salt diluted in a normal size bath can be used effectively and without risk. However, they found that levels of 300 to 400 grams are sufficient. This technique should be used two to three times per week for 10 to 20 minutes after particularly gruelling workouts.”

In addition the magnesium and the sulfates helps to

Magnesium:

1. Ease stress and improves sleep and concentration
2. Help muscles and nerves function properly
3. Regulate activity of 325+ enzymes
4. Help prevent artery hardening and blood clots
5. Make insulin more effective
6. Reduce inflammation to relieve pain and muscle cramps
7. Improve oxygen use

Sulfates:

1. Flush toxins
2. Improve absorption of nutrients
3. Help form joint proteins, brain tissue and mucin proteins
4. Help prevent or ease migraine headaches

Finally i dont have a lot of experience with this method however i have done it twice this week after legs and upper body power. i noticed that i slept better i was rested in the morning and i my legs were less sore.

take care guys
 
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Old 02-29-2008, 12:00 PM   #641
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With how busy you are, I am shocked every time with the research information you dig up! Interesting stuff there.
 
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