[fast-twitch]

pick up the new md magazine , got a good article in the supplement section on how worthless glutamine is to a bodybuilder , and may only provide "may" help immune function and "may" help digestion , thats about it

[hawkweight]

Seems like you can find a pro or a con on just about any subject or product out there. I'm a 44 year old non-competing hobbyist bodybuilder, natural, steady without significant off-time for 28 years. 6' 1", 215lbs, 7-9% cycled bodyfat. A year ago, for the first time and after reading a ton about it, I tried Glutamine Peptide for 5 months. For me it did nothing. Then I tried straight L-Glutamine (check the Web to learn the difference if you're not already familiar). In 7 months I have gone from 205 lbs (where I had been stuck for over 10 years) to 215 lbs. Obviously 28 years of hobbyist non-competing training, natural, can cause a significant stagnant plateau. Well, I'm convinced that L-Glutamine busted me right out of that plateau and I've put on 10 pounds of lean mass as a result. During the 7 month period I changed nothing else in my diet or routine, same rep/set/movement configuration. However, I have definitely been able to add a few more pounds to the bar for all movements, which resulted in the extra mass, and as far as I'm concerned it's due to the L-Glutamine. Oh, and also, I used to get every nasty bug my young kids brought home from school. I think I was so prone due to always being on the edge immune-system-wise from the training. Since doing L-Glutamine I can't get sick no matter how hard I try. Right now I'm a huge L-Glutamine fan.

[fast-twitch]

Originally Posted by hawkweight

Seems like you can find a pro or a con on just about any subject or product out there. I'm a 44 year old non-competing hobbyist bodybuilder, natural, steady without significant off-time for 28 years. 6' 1", 215lbs, 7-9% cycled bodyfat. A year ago, for the first time and after reading a ton about it, I tried Glutamine Peptide for 5 months. For me it did nothing. Then I tried straight L-Glutamine (check the Web to learn the difference if you're not already familiar). In 7 months I have gone from 205 lbs (where I had been stuck for over 10 years) to 215 lbs. Obviously 28 years of hobbyist non-competing training, natural, can cause a significant stagnant plateau. Well, I'm convinced that L-Glutamine busted me right out of that plateau and I've put on 10 pounds of lean mass as a result. During the 7 month period I changed nothing else in my diet or routine, same rep/set/movement configuration. However, I have definitely been able to add a few more pounds to the bar for all movements, which resulted in the extra mass, and as far as I'm concerned it's due to the L-Glutamine. Oh, and also, I used to get every nasty bug my young kids brought home from school. I think I was so prone due to always being on the edge immune-system-wise from the training. Since doing L-Glutamine I can't get sick no matter how hard I try. Right now I'm a huge L-Glutamine fan.

how much your taking a day?

[str8flexed]

Originally Posted by hawkweight

Seems like you can find a pro or a con on just about any subject or product out there. I'm a 44 year old non-competing hobbyist bodybuilder, natural, steady without significant off-time for 28 years. 6' 1", 215lbs, 7-9% cycled bodyfat. A year ago, for the first time and after reading a ton about it, I tried Glutamine Peptide for 5 months. For me it did nothing. Then I tried straight L-Glutamine (check the Web to learn the difference if you're not already familiar). In 7 months I have gone from 205 lbs (where I had been stuck for over 10 years) to 215 lbs. Obviously 28 years of hobbyist non-competing training, natural, can cause a significant stagnant plateau. Well, I'm convinced that L-Glutamine busted me right out of that plateau and I've put on 10 pounds of lean mass as a result. During the 7 month period I changed nothing else in my diet or routine, same rep/set/movement configuration. However, I have definitely been able to add a few more pounds to the bar for all movements, which resulted in the extra mass, and as far as I'm concerned it's due to the L-Glutamine. Oh, and also, I used to get every nasty bug my young kids brought home from school. I think I was so prone due to always being on the edge immune-system-wise from the training. Since doing L-Glutamine I can't get sick no matter how hard I try. Right now I'm a huge L-Glutamine fan.

there is NO that's right ZERO scientific data that supports the idea that glutamine is anabolic when orally ingested. Trust me I've looked everywhere... THERE IS NONE

[hawkweight]

Taking 5mg x 4 times each day. 20 mg total. This gives me a MUCH better result than 5mg x 2 each day. L-Glute goes with meal 1, 2, 4, 6 (out of 6 per day), with the workout happening between meal 1 & 2. That way I'm getting the L-Glute 1/2 hour before workout and a 1/2 hour after. Adding it to meals 4 & 6 is when I really started to see results. For years I have cycled creatine 8 weeks on & 4 weeks off, and used to notice a big drop is size & performance during the off cycle. Also had plateaued on what creatine was actually doing for me. Now with L-Glute for the last 7 months I don't notice much of a size drop during the Creatine off cycle, but then when I go back on it's like I'm starting where I left off from the previous creatine cycle, and I move forward from there with more gains. Oh and also I got proactive on my kidney function with all of this, concerned that all of this might stress out the kidneys, and I do this amazing chinese herb compound called Yin Vive from activeherb.com. Part of my hobby with this whole thing is checking my lab results for liver function, kidney function, resting heart rate, blood pressure, etc. The kidney function was at the high range of "normal" after the long-term cycling of creatine. Now with this Yin Vive stuff it's at the low range of normal on the test results. And some say that L-Glute stresses the kidneys too, so I'm all over this Yin Vive.

[hawkweight]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

there is NO that's right ZERO scientific data that supports the idea that glutamine is anabolic when orally ingested. Trust me I've looked everywhere... THERE IS NONE

My stellar results could all be psychological, but I don't care, if it's psychological and it works then I'm on it like a cop on a doughnut. I have no other way to explain the end of my 10 yr plateau other than the L-Glute, since everything I injest is freakishly regimented and L-Glute was the only change.

[hawkweight]

Originally Posted by hawkweight

Taking 5mg x 4 times each day. 20 mg total. This gives me a MUCH better result than 5mg x 2 each day. L-Glute goes with meal 1, 2, 4, 6 (out of 6 per day), with the workout happening between meal 1 & 2. That way I'm getting the L-Glute 1/2 hour before workout and a 1/2 hour after. Adding it to meals 4 & 6 is when I really started to see results. For years I have cycled creatine 8 weeks on & 4 weeks off, and used to notice a big drop is size & performance during the off cycle. Also had plateaued on what creatine was actually doing for me. Now with L-Glute for the last 7 months I don't notice much of a size drop during the Creatine off cycle, but then when I go back on it's like I'm starting where I left off from the previous creatine cycle, and I move forward from there with more gains. Oh and also I got proactive on my kidney function with all of this, concerned that all of this might stress out the kidneys, and I do this amazing chinese herb compound called Yin Vive from activeherb.com. Part of my hobby with this whole thing is checking my lab results for liver function, kidney function, resting heart rate, blood pressure, etc. The kidney function was at the high range of "normal" after the long-term cycling of creatine. Now with this Yin Vive stuff it's at the low range of normal on the test results. And some say that L-Glute stresses the kidneys too, so I'm all over this Yin Vive.

by low range of normal I mean the kidney test result numbers were lower which is supposed to be good

[hawkweight]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

there is NO that's right ZERO scientific data that supports the idea that glutamine is anabolic when orally ingested. Trust me I've looked everywhere... THERE IS NONE

The other thing that's weird is that, as a 44 yr old I was curious about this "middle age drop in testosterone" that's supposed to happen to guys over 40. Before L-Glute my lab numbers were 460 for testosterone. 4 months into L-Glute my testosterone lab numbers are 590. While there may be no published scientific data to support L-Glute is anabolic, I also say that true data doesn't lie. I have to believe my own data and my own testosterone levels, and to reiterate, L-glute is the only change I've made to my old stagnant regimine.

[str8flexed]

the scientific data is in numbers of thousands and it doesn't lie

placebo lies all the time

[hawkweight]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

the scientific data is in numbers of thousands and it doesn't lie

placebo lies all the time

So, str8flexed, I take it you've tried Glutamine with no postive results? If so, did you try Glutamine Peptides, or L-Gutamine, or both? Just curious. Always like to hear another opinion. Glutamine Peptides did nothing for me, and from what I've read that's supposed to beat L-Glutamine hands down. I found the exact opposite to be true.

[hawkweight]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

the scientific data is in numbers of thousands and it doesn't lie

placebo lies all the time

From what I see in cyberspace, there is scientific proof that L-glutamine is depleted in skeletal muscle tissue during and after strenuous physical activity, and there is proof that supplementing L-Glutamine restores these short-term depletions. There’s also proof that severe burn victims, for example, have depleted L-glutamine stores, and that’s why clinical burn centers now give burn victims L-glutamine supplementation and see better results than past burn victims who did not receive the L-g supplementation. So, a body is stressed in a severe burn situation, and a body is stressed in a severe squat routine. In both instances it’s been proven that your L-glutamine stores will be depleted, and in both instances it’s been proven that with glutamine supplementation these stores are replenished. I think this is why my lame-ass little one-rep-max full squat went from 350 to 385 after 7 months of L-glutamine supplementation. I know that particular weight would be considered light for someone who has been doing this as long as I have, but remember I’m natural, I’m merely a hobbyist and don’t compete, and I’m an ecktomorph (should be a distance runner by design, not a bodybuilder). I was stuck at 350 for over 10 years. When I start taking something natural that suddenly adds exactly 10% weight increase to my one-rep-max on the squat and bumps me up 35 pounds in 7 months I consider that to have an anabolic effect. What else could it be? I’m at a loss for trying to figure it out, and will now happily spend 30 bucks every 2-3 months for L-glutamine supplementation.

[hawkweight]

Originally Posted by str8flexed

the scientific data is in numbers of thousands and it doesn't lie

placebo lies all the time

From what I see in cyberspace, there is scientific proof that L-glutamine is depleted in skeletal muscle tissue during and after strenuous physical activity, and there is proof that supplementing L-Glutamine restores these short-term depletions. There’s also proof that severe burn victims, for example, have depleted L-glutamine stores, and that’s why clinical burn centers now give burn victims L-glutamine supplementation and see better results than past burn victims who did not receive the L-g supplementation. So, a body is stressed in a severe burn situation, and a body is stressed in a severe squat routine. In both instances it’s been proven that your L-glutamine stores will be depleted, and in both instances it’s been proven that with glutamine supplementation these stores are replenished. I think this is why my lame-ass little one-rep-max full squat went from 350 to 385 after 7 months of L-glutamine supplementation. I know that particular weight would be considered light for someone who has been doing this as long as I have, but remember I’m natural, I’m merely a hobbyist and don’t compete, and I’m an ecktomorph (should be a distance runner by design, not a bodybuilder). I was stuck at 350 for over 10 years. When I start taking something natural that suddenly adds exactly 10% weight increase to my one-rep-max on the squat and bumps me up 35 pounds in 7 months I consider that to have an anabolic effect. What else could it be? I’m at a loss for trying to figure it out, and will now happily spend 30 bucks every 2-3 months for L-glutamine supplementation.