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Old 01-17-2007, 06:53 PM   #1
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I'm taking Higher Power Nutrition's Micronized Glutamine 1000 and was curious if its true that its pointless to consume because most of it gets destroyed when digested and never actually reaches your muscles to work as its intended to?
 
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Old 01-17-2007, 07:57 PM   #2
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I'm taking Higher Power Nutrition's Micronized Glutamine 1000 and was curious if its true that its pointless to consume because most of it gets destroyed when digested and never actually reaches your muscles to work as its intended to?
Yes, its true.
 
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Old 01-23-2007, 09:59 PM   #3
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Hey bro try this. Take the l glumine with EAS Phosphagen HP. It is best taken after a work out . What the phosphagen does is 34 grams of sugar create insulin. Directly after a workout this should trasport the l Glumine and carbs into the muscle cells and blood stream rather quickly. Of course some will be destroyed due to the first pass but 85% or more will make it into the muscle cells. You don't have to get EAS brand just something that will up the insulin right after your work out. Than if your keeping surgar out of your diet just take this after an intese work out and no more..
 
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:34 PM   #4
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cant u just take a scoop of glutamine with an energy drink for half the price?
 
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Old 01-24-2007, 12:30 AM   #5
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or you could not take glutamine at all and be just as well off
 
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Yes you are correct
Old 01-24-2007, 12:41 AM   #6
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cant u just take a scoop of glutamine with an energy drink for half the price?
For what it does your better off not wasting your money..
 
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Old 01-24-2007, 02:24 AM   #7
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I think I will just avoid it all together, thanks for the input.
 
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:55 AM   #8
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where are these reports saying that glutamine is useless? i thought it was widely accepted that it aids in recovery and had medical uses, not arguing whether it is or not just if u have some reports. I've had great increase in recovery rates when ive used l glutamine.
 
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Old 01-24-2007, 07:56 AM   #9
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Hey tjbenthan, I'll see if I can locate the article. Were not saying it does not work. It's common that through the fist passing many things are destroyed. If you noticed Anabolic steroids is a 17 ak which stress the liver because the liver tries hard to break it down. That's how oral steroids work so well.
 
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Old 01-24-2007, 10:58 AM   #10
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where are these reports saying that glutamine is useless? i thought it was widely accepted that it aids in recovery and had medical uses, not arguing whether it is or not just if u have some reports. I've had great increase in recovery rates when ive used l glutamine.
Oxidation of glutamine by the splanchnic bed in humans.

* Haisch M,
* Fukagawa NK,
* Matthews DE.

Departments of Medicine and Chemistry, University of Vermont, Burlington, Vermont 05405, USA.

[1,2-(13)C(2)]glutamine and [ring-(2)H(5)]phenylalanine were infused for 7 h into five postabsorptive healthy subjects on two occasions. On one occasion, the tracers were infused intravenously for 3.5 h and then by a nasogastric tube for 3.5 h. The order of infusion was reversed on the other occasion. From the plasma tracer enrichment measurements at plateau during the intravenous and nasogastric infusion periods, we determined that 27 +/- 2% of the enterally delivered phenylalanine and 64 +/- 2% of the glutamine were removed on the first pass by the splanchnic bed. Glutamine flux was 303 +/- 8 micromol. kg(-1). h(-1). Of the enterally delivered [(13)C]glutamine tracer, 73 +/- 2% was recovered as exhaled CO(2) compared with 58 +/- 1% of the intravenously infused tracer. The fraction of the enterally delivered tracer that was oxidized specifically on the first pass by the splanchnic bed was 53 +/- 2%, comprising 83% of the total tracer extracted. From the appearance of (13)C in plasma glucose, we estimated that 7 and 10% of the intravenously and nasogastrically infused glutamine tracers, respectively, were converted to glucose. The results for glutamine flux and first-pass extraction were similar to our previously reported values when a [2-(15)N]glutamine tracer [Matthews DE, Morano MA, and Campbell RG, Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 264: E848-E854, 1993] was used. The results of [(13)C]glutamine tracer disposal demonstrate that the major fate of enteral glutamine extraction is for oxidation and that only a minor portion is used for gluconeogenesis.







Free and protein-bound glutamine have identical splanchnic extraction in healthy human volunteers.

* Boza JJ,
* Dangin M,
* Moennoz D,
* Montigon F,
* Vuichoud J,
* Jarret A,
* Pouteau E,
* Gremaud G,
* Oguey-Araymon S,
* Courtois D,
* Woupeyi A,
* Finot PA,
* Ballevre O.

Nestle Research Center, Vers-Chez-Les-Blanc, 1000 Lausanne 26, Switzerland.

The objectives of the present study were to determine the splanchnic extraction of glutamine after ingestion of glutamine-rich protein ((15)N-labeled oat proteins) and to compare it with that of free glutamine and to determine de novo glutamine synthesis before and after glutamine consumption. Eight healthy adults were infused intravenously in the postabsorptive state with L-[1-(13)C]glutamine (3 micromol x kg(-1) x h(-1)) and L-[1-(13)C]lysine (1.5 micromol x kg(-1) x h(-1)) for 8 h. Four hours after the beginning of the infusion, subjects consumed (every 20 min) a liquid formula providing either 2.5 g of protein from (15)N-labeled oat proteins or a mixture of free amino acids that mimicked the oat-amino acid profile and contained L-[2,5-(15)N(2)]glutamine and L-[2-(15)N]lysine. Splanchnic extraction of glutamine reached 62.5 +/- 5.0% and 66.7 +/- 3.9% after administration of (15)N-labeled oat proteins and the mixture of free amino acids, respectively. Lysine splanchnic extraction was also not different (40.9 +/- 11.9% and 34.9 +/- 10.6% for (15)N-labeled oat proteins and free amino acids, respectively). The main conclusion of the present study is that glutamine is equally bioavailable when given enterally as a free amino acid and when protein bound. Therefore, and taking into consideration the drawbacks of free glutamine supplementation of ready-to-use formulas for enteral nutrition, protein sources naturally rich in this amino acid are the best option for providing stable glutamine.
 
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Old 01-24-2007, 06:26 PM   #11
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where are these reports saying that glutamine is useless? i thought it was widely accepted that it aids in recovery and had medical uses, not arguing whether it is or not just if u have some reports. I've had great increase in recovery rates when ive used l glutamine.
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Old 01-25-2007, 01:42 AM   #12
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thanks for quoting the science guys, i wasnt aware so much of it was wasted...the same is true of creatine tho, correct? something like 80% of it is wasted when u do a 5 day load (not that i would do a loading phase its waste of money imo) but noone will dispute that creatine is an effective supplement.
 
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:54 AM   #13
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Nicely put BoBo. It could not have been said better
 
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Old 01-25-2007, 11:01 AM   #14
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