What is YOUR definition of natural

**str8flexed** · 07-14-2006, 01:35 PM

This will be the designated thread for discussion on what is or isn't natural. There will be no arguing about it in any other thread lol. That said here is my take:

If you ask 100 different people what is natural, you'll get 100 different answers. Personally I just say i'm natural b/c it's alot easier than saying "I don't use steroids, prohormones, psychomotor stimulants, GH, etc, etc, etc.

I do have ethical problems with the abuse of steroids but for the most part I don't care what a person wants to do to their own body. That said, the real evils I believe are the magazines that portray some of these bodytypes as healthy & fit which is a load of crap.

In my opinion so long as a competitor falls within the guidelines of what is "natural" for that organization then I'm perfectly ok with him/her. I may have an issue with some of the rules for different orgs, but that is an organizational issue... not the competitors.

-Layne

**Jayhawkk** · 07-14-2006, 02:05 PM

My personal opinion is one who hasn't used steroids, pro hormones, igf, growth hormones, insulin to increase lean muscle mass. Products like protein, creatine etc I feel are legit.

That's the general all purpose answer anyways. I'd be here all day thinking about every product and where it falls :)

imraan47 · 07-14-2006, 02:18 PM

I was just wondering if anyone of you consider GH and/or Testosterone level boosters ie. Tribulus or Tribex natural or not and if you have thought about taking either one?

**Jayhawkk** · 07-14-2006, 02:23 PM

I've taken trib years ago but it didn't have any effect. I think products that give you an ability to attain size you couldn't without are on the list. I don't think a person taking trib could attain sizes that would be unable to be reached without. So I wouldn't consider it a illegal substance in a natty contest.

Layne being the expert in this area may chime in with a better response.

MindFCUK · 07-14-2006, 02:45 PM

Natural to me has to have clear cut parameters. Because of the effects of food, and the hormones in them one can mae the arguement that you can accidental growth by way of food, and hormones being that they are pumped with steroids and such. But I digress. Layne asked what constitute natural, i say a person who does use any exogenous hormone to build muscle. SO there you have it, sr8flexed!

**str8flexed** · 07-14-2006, 03:39 PM

well first you have to convince me that trib works... i'm not sure it does. Additionally, it is natural in that it is merely a plant extract. That said, if it does increase testosterone... there is still a difference between taking in an exogenous hormone and manipulating endogenous production... I think i'm probably ok with the latter but not the former.

-Layne

Rambo · 07-14-2006, 09:12 PM

some guys think you can be called natural after being clean for a while

what do you think about that?

**Jayhawkk** · 07-14-2006, 09:13 PM

I think it's a grey area. If you did a cycle of test 10 years ago for 8 weeks and since then haven't touched any hormone and competed then I would venture to say a legit natty. If you cycled for 10 years and have been clean for 18 months and competed you're not a natty. That's just me though.

**fahad** · 07-14-2006, 09:24 PM

i know huge ass guy were he told me he tarind 10 years naturaly b4 touching anything, and then he got on the sause but now hes not and i told him how the hell can u keep ur size like that and ur not on the sause and u dont even tarin heavy any more...he told me that its from the heavy training that he done from back in the dayzz.....

**mindstar** · 07-14-2006, 09:47 PM

Things like caffeine supplementation, ephedrine, clen, etc fall into grey areas for me...but they are banned by the natty feds i look at.

I'm not sure I have ethical concerns with gear unless one is competing in a sport where it is disallowed or it is being abused. Abuse of any substance which leads to a burdening of society due to health costs (I live in the land of socialized medicare thankfully) is ethically unsound in my mind, but responsible use of gear, booze, food, etc. is fine. I'm not sure I'm interested in a government telling me what I can and can't do with my body, as long as I don't impinge upon others rights...

This reminds me of a Colbert Report I saw where he was delineating the difference between Big government and Small government...

"telling you what you can do with your own body...=small government. You may say, but wait, don't I own my body? No, because then you would be able to sell it" heh...

**str8flexed** · 07-14-2006, 11:10 PM

caffiene is not banned by any fed that I know of... hell it's almost impossible not to get some amount of caffiene in some form in a western diet

**str8flexed** · 07-14-2006, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rambo

some guys think you can be called natural after being clean for a while

what do you think about that?

that's a tough call. i'm a lifetime drug free guy and ideally that's how all natural shows would be. However, I understand sometimes guys feel they made mistakes when they were younger and in my mind if they've been clean like 5-7 years, then I think that shows a genuine commitment to natural bodybuilding... sort of like a born again virgin lol. Some feds out there only have a 1 or 3 year drug free requirement and I think that's a little light. And then you have feds like musclemania.... where drug free is more of a suggestion than a requirement.

-Layne