What is YOUR definition of natural

skeptic · 09-13-2007, 01:23 AM

id rep ya but ive been a rep whore (as beefcake would put it lol)

**Thomas_Rivera** · 09-13-2007, 01:27 AM

lmao. I would rep myself...but that would just be impossible and wrong =o

**Julio** · 09-13-2007, 11:19 AM

yeah Thomas always get brolic

Sparky_dustin · 09-13-2007, 11:55 AM

Ok guys this has been driving me nuts for a while now.....what the **** does brolic mean anyway?

**Thomas_Rivera** · 09-13-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky_dustin

Ok guys this has been driving me nuts for a while now.....what the **** does brolic mean anyway?

There are alot of definitions for it. But the easiest one would be that its used to describe something that is over the top, not needed but funny to do, something impressive.

For instance an average conversation I would have with Julio when we hang out.

Tom: Yooo the delivery guy never brings exact change it pisses me off.

Julio: Damn son get brolic and break his jaw.

Tom: I should, i've been thinking about ripping out his spine and impaling him with it.

Julio: GET BROLIC.

Something like that.

skeptic · 09-13-2007, 01:26 PM

lol good description haha^^^

Sparky_dustin · 09-13-2007, 01:34 PM

Thx Thomas

**Julio** · 09-13-2007, 01:46 PM

lmaoo excellent description thomas

mr_bhana · 09-16-2007, 03:29 PM

ohhh now i get ittt thanx

ILiftHeavyThings · 11-04-2007, 10:35 PM

Im new to the site its good to here that there are a lot of natural guys out there, too many people at my gym have been hitting the roids

ive been lifting on and off for two years. went from 5' 10'' 215 of slob too 6'3'' 210 of muscle the natural way. anyone can do it just hard work and determination so i got a lot of respect for you guys that have been doing it your whole lives.

Beefcake · 11-04-2007, 10:53 PM

How'd you go from 5'10" to 6'3"?

ILiftHeavyThings · 11-04-2007, 10:55 PM

2 years man, I was 16 when i started and im 18 now

Beefcake · 11-05-2007, 10:59 PM

Ohh. Good show.

Mister-10 · 02-02-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by str8flexed

I believe those that have used, should still have the right to compete naturally so long as they make the commitment to stay natural for an extended period of time.

-Layne

I don't like the concept of "natural bodybuilding" exactly because there is no clear, unique, and unambiguous defenition for it, and especially because there is so much room for cheating.

First of all there is no testing for HGH and insulin at the natural contests.

Secondly, it is too easy to prevent testing positive on AAS, even when you have been taking them recently.

Thirdly, there is only testing on the day of the contest, if there is actual testing at all, because testing is too expensive for most of these small natural federations.

Fourthly, I find it total nonsense that someone can call himself natural and participate in natural contests if he has been using steroids 5 or 10 years ago. Do you really consider Dorian Yates a natural bodybuilder just because he stopped using hormones 10 years ago??

Because of this, I prefer to introduce a new term:
"True Natural Bodybuilding" (short: TN bodybuilding) which is defined as: bodybuilding without EVER having used any PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drugs or supplements that are not part of a normal healthy daily diet.

If you are interested in knowing what this definition exactly means, I would invite you to take a look at my personal website:

True Natural Bodybuilding: the definition

**str8flexed** · 02-03-2008, 05:27 PM

i understand many of your points and agree with you on many of them, but again in a perfect world we'd blood test everyone 365 days per year but unfortunately, that is not feasable

**jasoncpowell** · 03-21-2008, 04:42 PM

Well...it is never as easy as a simple definition...I imagine you are really asking in regards to "proving" whom is natural...TOUGH to do, but, I think the closest thing we can get to is a combination testing method of urine, blood and polygraphs. It is EXPENSIVE, but needed. Mandatory at each show and a couple of randoms throughout the year.

I think the clearest definition that is realistic is: An athlete that has not taken any banned substance from the WADA list for starters. GH is hard to test for, but if there is a history of tests from a specific athlete...it makes it a lot easier! All prohormones, precursors, test boosters and so on are also a "no-no".

snowmanx · 06-26-2008, 02:16 AM

I'm 39 now, when I first started getting more serious about lifting( not sure a really consider my self a BB, but some may) about 7 years ago, I took androsteindione 2 different times. It certainly helped, but didn't make me huge by any means(I really didn't have a clue what I was doing and belieed it was "just" a supplement.

About 2 months ago, I took a months worth of 4AD, thinking it was just another supplement, kind of like creatine or something. I did notice some increase muscle, decrease fat a little faster than what I normally would have expected, but didn't think much of it. I did some research( I know, should have done that before) and found out that it was a PH, with some potential serious side effects( IMO), I threw the rest out. So does this now make me "NON natural?

I have cycled T bomb 2, anadrox, creatine, and some sort of thermogenic on and off for years, again, thinking that they are just supplements and can't hurt...right?

So do these compounds make me non natural? Am I inadvertly cheating? I don't plan on competing( but my son wants me to) but I guess I wouldn't be able to compete in a natty contest?

I really don't believe my use of 4AD got me anything that I could not have gotten on my own., but I guess I'm out of luck?

andy rimmer · 07-29-2008, 12:09 PM

just to refer back to page one a sec (and am hoping this point hasnt been raised) but on the advert for flex wheeler its says now something along the lines of "flex wheeler the most natural freak" cos he wants to compete naturally, but surely that cant be allowed cos he was obviously using gear in his last olympia and also i heard he used synthol aswell (but im not positive about the synthol) i personally think its quite annoying the way advertisements have tried to label him a "natural freak" i meen sure he's an incredible bodybuilder an he is definetley in my top ten bodybuilders but yea

stateofmind25 · 08-18-2008, 12:47 PM

Natural=Legal

herakles56 · 08-29-2008, 08:05 AM

For me, natural is only food and training. No whey, no creatin and so, no steroïd or GH. I'm 52 years and I train since 26 years. My stats are 5'11", 190-200 lb and 11 % body fat. It's not fantastic, but I think it's correct for my age. I have only used natural food. I train 5 days by week, between 1 h- 1 h 30. Thanks.

Sparky_dustin · 08-29-2008, 10:40 AM

Whats wrong with using Whey and Creatine? They are not anabolic substances. Whey is just a protein supplement you add into your diet to get more protein intake to support muscle growth.

MD Builder · 09-01-2008, 09:52 PM

Hey AR,
Good Q about Flex. That's complete bull if they let him compete natural b/c he can't keep up w/ the IFBB guys cuz they're so freakin huge now. If they do, then its all bull in my book. But at the end of the day, Layne will say that it's all about how hard you work and conditioning, and that even if flex is bigger, he may not have the conditioning that Harris or Cordova, or Layne will have if they've been on their game....

svakanda · 09-14-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ILiftHeavyThings

Im new to the site its good to here that there are a lot of natural guys out there, too many people at my gym have been hitting the roids

ive been lifting on and off for two years. went from 5' 10'' 215 of slob too 6'3'' 210 of muscle the natural way. anyone can do it just hard work and determination so i got a lot of respect for you guys that have been doing it your whole lives.

lifting weights can make me taller? ****...i been doing things all wrong!

svakanda · 09-14-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by herakles56

For me, natural is only food and training. No whey, no creatin and so, no steroïd or GH. I'm 52 years and I train since 26 years. My stats are 5'11", 190-200 lb and 11 % body fat. It's not fantastic, but I think it's correct for my age. I have only used natural food. I train 5 days by week, between 1 h- 1 h 30. Thanks.

i agree with herakles. Diet and training. Truth of the matter is, much of those pricey namebrand chemicals yall buy can be found in good old fashioned bloody dead animals :P

mmmMMMmmmm!

TheDr5544 · 11-04-2008, 12:26 AM

I was just curious if they test for recreational drugs in the drug free events like they do in the nlf? Would a guy get banned for smoking a little grass or sniffing some coke?

xos3000 · 11-04-2008, 01:52 AM

well steroids are not the easy way for bodybuilding its the hardest. while you are natural you just have to work hard and look for your diet . On other hand while on steroids you have to work more harder look over your health , eat wise and even though you be too much alert on your health you still get side effects.

When i was natural people still said i use steroids , now i use steroids and people say i use steroids and my answer is still " no i don't use steroids "

Steroids is cheating and you are innocent until found guilty ( as for getting ****ed up by side effects of steroids )

Cheat to never get caught every one in bodybuilding do that . and about naturals ... they are not so natural .

the fact is bodybuilding got in real existence after steroids and other performance enhancers where invented , just take a look at pictures and you will know the full game

Axle16 · 11-20-2008, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by david4zero8

How do you guys feel about products like ATD and AI's. To me, things of that nature, including natural legal test boosters, would be considered natural. Pro hormones, AAS, GH, slin, i wouldnt consider those natural.

Thats what I always presumed, same with allot of my mates.

Axle16 · 11-20-2008, 05:10 AM

I dunno xos3000, Look at all the great bodybulders from the late 1900 early 1800s. Eugen Sandow...William L. Murray of Nottingham, England.... Bernarr Macfadden and Charles Atlas..Finaly last but not least who could forget Florenz Ziegfeld. Remember him in the movie "The Great Ziegfeld"..he even won a bloody oscar in 1936 for it I still have his poster....Arnold who??? Ronnie Corbman was it???? Im a Ziegfeld man all the way.

chunky_bit · 11-22-2008, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDr5544

I was just curious if they test for recreational drugs in the drug free events like they do in the nlf? Would a guy get banned for smoking a little grass or sniffing some coke?

In most natural comps that are tested, they also test for recreational drugs.

Sparky_dustin · 12-02-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by svakanda

i agree with herakles. Diet and training. Truth of the matter is, much of those pricey namebrand chemicals yall buy can be found in good old fashioned bloody dead animals :P

mmmMMMmmmm!

The thing is that you don't have to buy a name brand product, protein is protein your body wont know if it's Muscletech or if you closed your eyes and sucked it through a tube in a shady part of town behind a dumpster from a guy calling himself Sally. Sure there are different types of proteins, but all of them are available in a cheaper knock off brand. Besides, do you have any idea how expensive it would be if you got all of your protein from meat sources?