[lil_big_junior]

i consider a natural bb, anyone who dont take pro hormones, or steriods

[gym_addict]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

My personal opinion is one who hasn't used steroids, pro hormones, igf, growth hormones, insulin to increase lean muscle mass. Products like protein, creatine etc I feel are legit.

That's the general all purpose answer anyways. I'd be here all day thinking about every product and where it falls :)

Agree

[napoleonator]

anything ****ing legal is natural.

[WaRz0n3]

Originally Posted by napoleonator

anything ****ing legal is natural.

so since roids are legal in Mexico, they are natural?

[lil_big_junior]

Originally Posted by napoleonator

anything ****ing legal is natural.

& PH's are NOT illegal in many countries, does that make it natural???

anyone free of all tests, AAS, slin, GH, IGF, & hormone enhancers are natural...

things like trib & zma are natty test boosters, so i consider these as natural too...

napoleonator, READ on bro & do some research before posting mate

[bbdude]

interesting discussion...^^

anything not synthetically made that increases muscle mass and performance is natural... if it is synthetical made, it is not natural, but still nothing to be ashamed of if u use...

[napoleonator]

ok dude, anything in the US that's legal , smartass

[Beefcake]

But I consider natural to be something that, like bbdude said, is not synthetically made. Things that appear naturally in nature are...natural.

[WaRz0n3]

Originally Posted by napoleonator

ok dude, anything in the US that's legal , smartass

So you are basing "natural" on the legal system of the country that the person lives in rather then basing it on the substances themselves?

[bbdude]

Originally Posted by Beefcake

But I consider natural to be something that, like bbdude said, is not synthetically made. Things that appear naturally in nature are...natural.

well u find testosteroine too but u get the pic

[Beefcake]

Yeah.

[PoppaDLo]

So the dude that shops souly at GNC, Wal-Mart and OTC and ingest anything sold in stores, but stays away from stuff over the internet that has to be shipped from outside the US with lables from other countries, is this person Natural?

[Mygeeto]

i swear there were more replies than this...what happened to them?

[Beefcake]

I don't know but that Napoleonator douche rocket is imfamous. He got banned at another board too.

[skeptic]

LOL more douche baggery

Natural to me is someone who uses things that only aid him in gaining muscle, not give him the ability to grow UNNATURAL amounts of muscle for their body... if that makes sense

[skeptic]

him/her*

[Mygeeto]

Originally Posted by napoleonator

ok dude, anything in the US that's legal , smartass

yo momma is in here with me so that makes her unnatural

[skeptic]

good timing lol ^^ reps

[BLUE(UK)]

Hi,i like to consider myself as natural as natural comes.

Up until a few months ago i wouldn't even take a painkiller in order to stay as clean as possible within my body and at 21years old(9years ago),i was 17st ripped to shreds really even tho i ate mountains of food and drank lots of water....i simply had a high metabolism and trained like a psychopath(weights 4times a week,Thai boxing twice and running at weekends once).

Here is the thing,when i was about 13 i had to start taking THYROXINE(100mg)and i still do now because if i dont my 'goitre' grows inwards and 'strangles' me.

Does that make me un natural? besides the Thyroxine i have taken creatine now and again(to push past plateu's)and used to take the odd protein/weight gain drink...until i became allergic to dairy products.. when pushed for time(i do have a social life).

I would say its about taking only what your body NEEDS and not what you WANT(especially from the docs)

Strange thing is,as a natural,i can stop training for a few months and when i start back in the gym i dont lose too much strength nor size although i dont recommend getting idle for the sake of it.

Have fun and train hard guys.

[Sparky_dustin]

Thyroxine, or 3:5,3':5' tetra*iodothyronine (often abbreviated as T4) is the major hormone secreted by the follicular cells of the thyroid gland.
T4 is transported in blood, with 99.95% of the secreted T4 being protein bound, principally to thyroxine *binding globulin (TBG) and to a lesser extent to transthyretin and serum albumin.
T4 is involved in controlling the rate of metabolic processes in the body and influencing physical development.
Note: Thyroxine is a prohormone and a reservoir for the active thyroid hormone triiodothyronine (T3), T4 being converted as required in the tissues by deiodinases.

This would be why you have a high metabolism but I'm not sure about the part where it says that it influences physical development. This might raise a flag as far as the judges are concerned.

[mooch2031]

i just think bodybuilding should be a natural sport all around i mean guys like ronnie, cutler, and jackson, are amazing and can be idolized but i feel steroids are cheating and im not saying they take them and im not sayin g they do but the real is obvious but i think that natural bodybuilding needs to become more popular because this sport that we all love is hard and is a lifestyle but i feel we dont get much respect for what we love because even if your natural people say steroids also i love powerlifting and it is hard to do im currently training to be on a college team but it isnt respected highly either i think steroids should be banned at all times from bodybuilding the take on natural supplements is good because all they do is aid u not work miracles.... guess so sum it up i look up to layne he is natural and is good at what he does but i love johhnie jackson also cuz of his powerlifting background but how can u look up to someone who cheated if he did so???????????

[skeptic]

they do man ^^^^ all of them

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by mooch2031

i just think bodybuilding should be a natural sport all around i mean guys like ronnie, cutler, and jackson, are amazing and can be idolized but i feel steroids are cheating and im not saying they take them and im not sayin g they do but the real is obvious but i think that natural bodybuilding needs to become more popular because this sport that we all love is hard and is a lifestyle but i feel we dont get much respect for what we love because even if your natural people say steroids also i love powerlifting and it is hard to do im currently training to be on a college team but it isnt respected highly either i think steroids should be banned at all times from bodybuilding the take on natural supplements is good because all they do is aid u not work miracles.... guess so sum it up i look up to layne he is natural and is good at what he does but i love johhnie jackson also cuz of his powerlifting background but how can u look up to someone who cheated if he did so???????????

I wanted to address what you call cheating. How many more hours do you think a man on steroids HAS to train to get the most out of his body, as compared to how many hours a natural trainer has to go?

How much harder do you think a steroid user has to push their body?

What about the risk of side effects?

I've seen natural guys that train for only 45 minutes a day and 4 days a week. I've seen steroid users who go 5 or 6 days for 3 or more hours.

In any sport that isn't highly regulated, any steroid user can consider that there are other steroid users in the circle and various tiers of effectivness for every person. In the IFBB all these guys are on steroids, the playing field is level, who's cheating there?

Do natural users sign up for competitions where they are tested and obvious juicers aren't tested? No, Natural users have the ability to go into all natural competitions. Not just in bodybuilding, but in powerlifting as well.

[skeptic]

totally agree^^^ i think natural bodybuilding deserves more coverage though

[mooch2031]

well then since bodybuildng is a sport they have so many federation tested and not tested then why dont they have 2 different leagues of baseball or football???????????????

[mooch2031]

the point is the work and the fact that u have to work hard to get what u want not saying people on steroids dont work hard but steroids are a big help just da way it is i guess

[skeptic]

because those most sports are tested... they get ****ed up here in australia if they are caught using gear.

[Thomas_Rivera]

They DO have different federations and levels for baseball and football. They even test in MMA. Why wouldn't testing be as prevalant in bigger sports? The people in charge know that it can ruin a league.

What happens when 5 of the starting players from each team get ripped out for use? Even 1? Teams will suffer from the loss of 3 starting players even. What happens when their biggest paid stars get suspended? Same thing with wrestling, 10 people caught with steroid use and BATISTA is still wrestling. He eats steroidieos.

And another big difference is, a near 40 year old, all things considered, could probably get testosterone replacement therapy. What will people do with those individuals that need it? Not allow them to play because they need to medically mantain testosterone levels.

People on steroids will find it near impossible to get into a natural competition. People on steroids also work harder, longer and more dangerously. They deserve where they get.

I don't see how its cheating. If an archive of this site was kept, and say one of the natural pros that visit this site or one of our own goes to be a pro natural, and ten years down the line creatine is banned. What would people think when they read "so and so" used creatine for ten years before it was banned, "they cheated to get where they are".

Saying the use of steroids is cheating is discrediting to alot of people that made bodybuilding as big as it is today. Arnold, Lou, Draper, Columbu just to name a few. They used steroids, so are they cheaters?

It would be great to see natural bodybuilding pushed. But most natural bodybuilders, me included didn't start bodybuilding because we saw an all natural competition. Most people that start bodybuilding don't even know there are leagues with substance testing.

Right now people get into bodybuilding because they see MD, flex or any of those other mags or any publications with a guy that is probably on steroids.

[skeptic]

yet another good post ^^^

[Thomas_Rivera]

Thanks.