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Old 10-19-2006, 04:00 PM   #61
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Well, there is nothing natural about bodybuilding. It's not part of our human nature to be able to bench press 300lbs or squat 500lbs, or walk around with huge muscles. If it was we'd all look like Arnold without any effort. So it's kind of a strange thing to say some people are "natural bodybuilders".

Products like creatine aren't natural because if you stop taking it the body will return to it's natural state, and you will loose the advantage that creatine gave you.

Protein shakes are made from natural foods, but it is a processed food. Some people don't think processed foods are natural.

Natural to me is anything that doesn't interfere with the body's natural function or development.

Now here's the problem. Since bodybuilding is not a natural thing allowances must be made to allow people to reach gains that measure in the unnatural range. So products like protein shakes, creatine and others are allowed to increase the body's performance levels for functions that occur naturally. What we don't want to see is damage occuring. We also don't want to see people trying to change a body function to something it wasn't designed to do.

 
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Old 10-19-2006, 05:00 PM   #62
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Products like creatine aren't natural because if you stop taking it the body will return to it's natural state, and you will loose the advantage that creatine gave you.

Protein shakes are made from natural foods, but it is a processed food. Some people don't think processed foods are natural.



isn't creatine found in red meat?
 
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Old 10-20-2006, 09:33 AM   #63
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isn't creatine found in red meat?
Yea I think it does. I'm not completely sure.
 
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Old 10-20-2006, 10:20 AM   #64
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Well, there is nothing natural about bodybuilding. It's not part of our human nature to be able to bench press 300lbs or squat 500lbs, or walk around with huge muscles. If it was we'd all look like Arnold without any effort. So it's kind of a strange thing to say some people are "natural bodybuilders".

Products like creatine aren't natural because if you stop taking it the body will return to it's natural state, and you will loose the advantage that creatine gave you.

Protein shakes are made from natural foods, but it is a processed food. Some people don't think processed foods are natural.

Natural to me is anything that doesn't interfere with the body's natural function or development.

Now here's the problem. Since bodybuilding is not a natural thing allowances must be made to allow people to reach gains that measure in the unnatural range. So products like protein shakes, creatine and others are allowed to increase the body's performance levels for functions that occur naturally. What we don't want to see is damage occuring. We also don't want to see people trying to change a body function to something it wasn't designed to do.

that makes no sense. if you stop weightlifting you return to your natural state.

so anyone who lifts weights isn't natural? hehe
 
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Old 10-23-2006, 11:47 AM   #65
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that makes no sense. if you stop weightlifting you return to your natural state.

so anyone who lifts weights isn't natural? hehe
I don't mean that the person is unnatural because they lift weights. Nore do I mean that the activity of lifting weights is unnatural.

I'm just saying that the body state bodybuilders put themself into in order to gain lean muscle, drop body fat, and change the way they look in the mirror. That part isn't something that happens on it's own. You can't go to the beach and see people with the body's of professional bodybuilders who have never lifted weights.

Most men's natural body fat levels are around 12% to 15% (depending on age), but bodybuilders usually want much lower levels. So if they stop their training, then they tent to return to their natural fat levels.

Same for muscle mass, strength, and other things like that.

So am I wrong to say that if you stop weight lifting you return to your natural state?
 
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Old 10-25-2006, 05:33 AM   #66
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yes you're wrong lol just because they 'alter' their natural state, doesn't mean they are not natural.natties still use natural substances to get to where they are.therefore, NATURALLY altering their body.
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Old 10-25-2006, 09:09 AM   #67
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yes you're wrong lol just because they 'alter' their natural state, doesn't mean they are not natural.natties still use natural substances to get to where they are.therefore, NATURALLY altering their body.
You win.

When you put it as the altered state still being natural, then I do agree with that.
 
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:21 AM   #68
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You win.

When you put it as the altered state still being natural, then I do agree with that.
i like being right lol i did understand the point you were making though
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Old 11-06-2006, 02:39 PM   #69
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For me being natural is staying clean of compounds put on WADA's banned list. I know that there are some loop holes and what not but that is where I personally draw the line between the two. At this point I have never used any gear but the thought has crossed my mind. I do not plan on competeing my training is for my own personal benefit.
 
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A good base line for defining natural bodybuilding would be one that consumes food that is grown. No nutritional supplements. Although, one could argue that cocaine and heroin (etc...) are grown naturally. These items could be considered herbal supplements. So we would have to define herbal supplements that perhaps are not chemically addictive to human beings. Then one could argue that caffeine is an addictive herbal supplement or any herb that elevates heart rate or blood pressure to a possible unsafe level. We could go a step further and say that any supplement that could an addiction or cause irreparable damage to internal or external organs should not be consumed by natural bodybuilders.

Would this be a fair base line for defining natural bodybuilding?
 
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I don't mean that the person is unnatural because they lift weights. Nore do I mean that the activity of lifting weights is unnatural.

I'm just saying that the body state bodybuilders put themself into in order to gain lean muscle, drop body fat, and change the way they look in the mirror. That part isn't something that happens on it's own. You can't go to the beach and see people with the body's of professional bodybuilders who have never lifted weights.

Most men's natural body fat levels are around 12% to 15% (depending on age), but bodybuilders usually want much lower levels. So if they stop their training, then they tent to return to their natural fat levels.

Same for muscle mass, strength, and other things like that.

So am I wrong to say that if you stop weight lifting you return to your natural state?
Then people who work blue collar jobs that are physically demanding would be in an unnatural state of physical conditioning?
 
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Old 12-20-2006, 12:16 AM   #72
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that makes no sense. if you stop weightlifting you return to your natural state.

so anyone who lifts weights isn't natural? hehe
The state people who use automobiles and airplanes (etc...) would put themselves in an unnatural state of conditioning?
 
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