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Old 12-12-2005, 05:04 PM   #1
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California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied clemency today for convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, saying the facts of the case do not justify blocking his scheduled execution. Williams, a convicted killer and co-founder of the Crips gang, is due to die by injection shortly after midnight local time. His death sentence sparked a debate over capital punishment, with his supporters claiming he is a changed man who writes books leading children away from gang life.

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Governor denies clemency for ex-gang leader
Appeals court refuses to block Williams' execution

SACRAMENTO, California (CNN) -- California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has denied clemency for convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, who co-founded the Crips street gang.

Schwarzenegger announced the decision Monday shortly after a federal appeals court refused to block Williams' scheduled Tuesday execution.

The court made its decision about nine hours before Williams is to receive a lethal injection.

Williams met with his attorneys and family members Monday at San Quentin State Prison, and he "still believes there will be some intervention in this process," prison spokesman Vernell Crittendon said.

Sunday, California's Supreme Court rejected an emergency request to stay the execution.

Earlier Sunday, attorney Verna Wefald said the legal team was asking for a stay on the basis that Williams should have been allowed to argue that someone else killed one of the four people he was convicted of slaying.

On Friday, the governor described his looming decision as "a very heavy responsibility."

Williams -- who would turn 52 on December 29 -- co-founded the Crips in Los Angeles and was convicted of killing four people in 1979, but has become an anti-gang crusader while on death row.

He has denounced gang violence and written children's books with an anti-gang message, donating the proceeds to anti-gang community groups.

He said he was trying to prevent young people from making the choices he did, which led to a life of crime and a death sentence.

Celebrities, teachers and anti-death-penalty advocates have spoken on his behalf.

Prosecutors maintain Williams should die for what lead prosecutor John Monaghan called "extremely brutal crimes." Monaghan noted that despite his anti-gang activism, Williams has consistently refused to take part in a debriefing with authorities to provide them potentially valuable information about the Crips gangs.

Williams was convicted of killing a 26-year-old Los Angeles convenience store clerk in February 1979, shooting him twice in the back with a 12-gauge shotgun while the victim was face down on the floor.

Less than two weeks later, jurors concluded, he shot and killed an immigrant Chinese couple and their 41-year-old daughter while stealing less than $100 cash from their motel.

Both cases were handled in a single trial, and Williams was sentenced to death in 1981.
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Old 12-12-2005, 05:08 PM   #2
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good. time to terminate Tookie.

writing a childrens book doesn't rectify killing four people.


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Old 12-12-2005, 05:18 PM   #3
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completly agree, how can he get away with killing 4 people, if he doest get death, then what the hell is going on with america, is america getting soft>>>???
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Old 12-12-2005, 05:21 PM   #4
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would be a good thought living eye for an eye but not long ago there was an aussie hung in singapore dunno if u heard about it, even tho i never even knew the bloke still a sad thought to watch the time when he was going to be executed and think that theres a person who is just about to die...
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Old 12-12-2005, 05:42 PM   #5
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although I think waiting 26 years on death row is completely retarded.

 
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Old 12-12-2005, 11:18 PM   #6
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its good that there following through with it...shows that they mean business
 
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Old 12-13-2005, 12:43 AM   #7
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good. time to terminate Tookie.

writing a childrens book doesn't rectify killing four people.


see ya tookie
:iagree: Bye Bye tookie!!
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:04 AM   #8
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Wow thats sick at how many people dont believe in any kind of redemption. Even if he was pardoned he was still spending the rest of his life in prison. The man should of been pardoned. Mabye you all dont understand how he grew up, and the circumstances he lived through that made him the way he was. Im not justufying what he did by any means, but i think he should be allowed to continue to speak about the negativeties of joining a street gang.

Street gangs were formed to protect african americans in the first place, not to commit organized street crimes. Do u understand that by pardoning tookie the number of lives that could be saved by kids who choose not to join street gangs. This should be far more important than getting justified revenge and letting all those children join gangs bc they have no other influence.

This is a horrible situation bc tookie so misunderstood bc a HUGE majoruty of the white community has absoloutly no idea what it is like to grow up in a ghetto. They sterotype and use that to justify their decisions.

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Old 12-13-2005, 04:29 AM   #9
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Wow thats sick at how many people dont believe in any kind of redemption.
What about redemption for the victim's families??

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Even if he was pardoned he was still spending the rest of his life in prison. The man should of been pardoned. Mabye you all dont understand how he grew up, and the circumstances he lived through that made him the way he was.
That's a crock of shit. Were you his next door neighbor or something? Surrounding yourself with evil people dosen't mean you have to be that way. I broke that cycle in my life when I was 17 and decided I didn't want to wind up dead or in prison. I chose the Military as a way out. I'm sure he could have made better choices than shooting a store clerk in the back twice with a 12gauge shotgun at point blank range.

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Im not justufying what he did by any means, but i think he should be allowed to continue to speak about the negativeties of joining a street gang.
He spoke volumes by killing 4 innocent people.

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Street gangs were formed to protect african americans in the first place, not to commit organized street crimes.
So there are only African American street gangs in the US? If they were formed to protect African Americans, then why in the hell do they keep killing each other?

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Do u understand that by pardoning tookie the number of lives that could be saved by kids who choose not to join street gangs. This should be far more important than getting justified revenge and letting all those children join gangs bc they have no other influence.
Do you understand that by axing this bastard those little kids will probably say" Damn man, better not do that shit. The Oak sent Tookie to pushing up daisies and he will do the same to us. Let's not kill people for a living"

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This is a horrible situation bc tookie so misunderstood
I understood he killed 4 people!!

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bc a HUGE majoruty of the white community has absoloutly no idea what it is like to grow up in a ghetto.
You have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. What, you think every white person is born into upper middle class or higher. News flash bro........ I can remember nights when my mother and I had to share a piece of bread for dinner. Sounds like you don't have a clue. I grew up without a lot. Hung out with a very bad crowd. Now I make in excess of 80k a year and have a beautiful wife and daughter. I didn't "let" society make me a killer like a couple of the guys I grew up with are.

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They sterotype and use that to justify their decisions.
Who is "they" ?? You talking about White people?? If so, I bet you are one of the idiots that thinks the Bush Admin. created the the hurricanes and blew up the levies (sp?)

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Old 12-13-2005, 07:56 AM   #10
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i did catch a short report on the enws away form the topic a little this guy looked huge! pretty damn thick.
no matter how bad a person does a crime i still feel bad knowing that they will be killed ina controlled environment etv
i dunno why
can you imagine that (i cant becuase it hasnt happend) but if you had your child just born and thinking, you will be put to death by the government in 31 years exactly today or soemthing like that.
killing 4 ppl thats not something you should be doing and deserved to be punished for it
but this guy that was hung, was hung because he had 400g of heroin with him at the airport in singapore
if soemthing like that happened here for instance my towns drug lords live in my street at the other end, they are in jail 6 months later out again for something pretty similar
would be alot better if the world had the same standards
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:33 AM   #11
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I think i would sux to be sitting there knowing you are about to die but this is his best lesson for the kid's IMO "Live like me, Die like me"
Oh and NCBB great post man well said.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:43 AM   #12
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so I was sitting in bad last night, and had the idea to start a website called www.tookie-cookies.com

and I'd sell cookies that were shaped like Tookies face, and my signature cookie would be called "Chocolate Crip Cookies"

lol...thats a true story...
 
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:46 AM   #13