[Genghis]

Good day to all fellow bodybuilders and humans

lol... anyways, Im sure like countless people around the world.. everyone on this forum and outside believe in the supernatural ghost's, of course there are skeptics, maybe you are one who knows, I just wanted to start this topic to explain to you that ghosts "do exist", and that no Im not high or drunk,

Let me explain in Islam there is no such things as ghosts, because "ghost" is not the right term or word for what those things you hear or if your lucky enough may of actually seen, the right term for a ghost is "Jinn" or "Jinnah" which means to hide or conceal,

Now a few years back (this aint no bullshit.. 100% true), my mums sister back in Pakistan was possesed by a jin, yep this is true.. at night she would be sitting in dark rooms doing "Impossible" things that us humans cannot do "No way" never, she all of a sudden knew a different language her voice changed she would swear at the whole family in a verrrry scary evil angry voice..,

She was possesed by a Jin, fortunatly an exorcist was performed on her which thank Allah (Praise be to god) worked, it apologised.. lol yes the Jin apologised and left her.

Now let me give you the proper lowdown on Jins and who they are what they are also where they come from, also how they are linked to Magicians and so on.

You've got to read this it will add to your knowledge and it is verrry interesting, it also makes sense (Im open to all critiscism, opinions etc.):

Throughout history man has always had a deep attraction for the supernatural and the unseen. The existence of a world parallel to our own has always fascinated people. This world is commonly referred to as the spirit world, and almost every set of people have some concept of one. With some people, these spirits are no more then the souls of dead people- or ghosts. With others, spirits are either the forces of good or the forces of evil - both battling against one another to gain influence over humanity. However, both of these explanations are more in tune with folk tales and fantasy. The true explanation of such a world comes from Islam. Like every other way, Islam also claims to explain this realm of the unseen. It is from this realm that Islam explains to us about the world of the Jinn. The Islamic explanation of the Jinn provides us with so many answers to modem day mysteries. Without the knowledge of this world, the Muslims would become like the non-Muslims and be running around looking for any old answer to come their way. So, who or what are the Jinn?



Existence

The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to mankind. The Arabic word Jinn is from the verb 'Janna' which means to hide or conceal. Thus, they are physically invisible from man as their description suggests. This invisibility is one of the reasons why some people have denied their existence. However, (as will be seen) the affect which the world of the Jinn has upon our world, is enough to refute this modern denial of one of Allah's creation. The origins of the Jinn can be traced from the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Allah says:

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire"
[Surah Al-Hijr 15:26-27]

Thus the Jinn were created before man. As for their physical origin, then the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) has confirmed the above verse when he said: "The Angels were created from light and the Jinn from smokeless fire" [1]. It is this description of the Jinn which tells us so much about them. Because they were created from fire, their nature has generally been fiery and thus their relationship with man has been built upon this. Like humans, they too are required to worship Allah and follow Islam. Their purpose in life is exactly the same as ours, as Allah says:

"I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to worship Me"
[Surah Ad-Dhariyat, 51:56]

Jinns can thus be Muslims or non-Muslims. However, due to their fiery nature the majority of them are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Jinns form a part of the army of the most famous Jinn, Iblis- the Shaitan[2]. Consequently, these disbelieving Jinns are also called Shaitans (devils). As for the Jinns who become Muslims, then the first of them did so in the time of the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) when a group of them were amazed by the recitation of the Qur'an. Allah orders the Prophet to tell the people of this event:

"Say (O' Muhammad): It has been revealed to me that a group of Jinn listened and said; 'Indeed we have heard a marvellous Qur'an. It guides unto righteousness so we have believed in it, and we will never make partners with our lord'"
[Surah Al-Jinn, 72:1-2]

In many aspects of their world, the Jinn are very similar to us. They eat and drink, they marry, have children and they die. The life span however, is far greater then ours. Like us, they will also be subject to a Final Reckoning by Allah the Most High. They will be present with mankind on the Day of Judgement and will either go to Paradise or Hell.


Abilities

That which clearly distinguishes the Jinn from mankind, are their powers and abilities. Allah has given them these powers as a test for them. If they oppress others with them, then they will be held accountable. By knowing of their powers, we can often make sense of much of the mysteries which go on around us. One of the powers of the Jinn, is that they are able to take on any physical form they like. Thus, they can appear as humans, animals trees and anything else. Over the last few years the interest in the subject of aliens and UFO's has become heightened. Programmes such as the X-files and the Outer limits have increased the popularity of the theory that aliens exist. Thousands of people have sighted strange looking creatures all over the world. These sightings however, have still not proven substantially that aliens exist. Rather - and it seems more plausible all the sightings of such creatures were just Jinns parading in different forms. So the next time you see something that looks like E.T, its most probably just a wicked Jinn trying to scare and confuse you!

The ability to possess and take over the minds and bodies of other creatures is also a power which the Jinn have utilised greatly over the centuries. This however, is something which has been prohibited to them as it is a great oppression to possess another being. Human possession is something which has always brought about great attention. But the true knowledge of this subject is rare amongst the people. Over the last 3 decades the subject of possession has become very commercialised. During the 70's films such as The Exorcist and Rosemary's Baby were used to educate people about possession. However, because such institutions (the film industry) were heavily influenced by Christianity, knowledge of the subject was non-existent. Rather then educate people about Jinn possession, films such as The Exorcist just tended to scare the living daylights out of us![3] Only through Islam can we understand such a phenomena. We know as Muslims, that Jinns possess people for many reasons. Sometimes it is because the Jinn or its family has been hurt accidentally. It could be because the Jinn has fallen in love with the person. However, most of the time possession occurs because the Jinn is simply malicious and wicked. For this reason we have been told by the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) not to loiter in those places where the Jinns reside, e.g. graveyards, ruins, deserts, market places etc. We have also been commanded to recite the Qur'an frequently in our houses as the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: "Indeed, the shaytan flees from the house in which Surah Al-Baqarah (the 2nd chapter of the Qur'an) is recited"[4].

If a person does become possessed, then the name of Allah has to be used in expelling the Jinn. If we look at the practice of the Prophet and his companions, we find many duas (supplications) to exorcise the Jinn. All these duas invoke Allah to help the possessed person. How contrary this is to many modern-day exorcists. Many exorcists, Muslim and non-Muslim, often invoke the names of others besides Allah to exorcise the Jinn[5]. When the Jinn does leave, these people believe that their way was successful. However, this is a ploy of the Jinn, as it knows that if it obeys the exorcist, then it has succeeded in making him worship others besides Allah i.e. commit shirk. The Jinn often returns when the exorcist leaves, as it knows that nothing except the words of Allah can stop it from oppressing others.

It is not only humans which are possessed, but also animals, trees and other objects. By doing this, the evil Jinn hope to make people worship others besides Allah. The possession of idols is one way to do this. Not so long ago the world-wide phenomenon of Hindu idols drinking milk, shocked the world. From Bombay to London, Delhi to California, countless idols were lapping up milk. Ganesh[6] the elephant god, Hanuman the monkey god and even Shiva lingam, the male private organ(!), all seemed to guzzle down the milk as if there was no tomorrow! Unfortunately people were taken in by this (including Muslims) and many flocked to feed (?) the Hindu gods. Anyone who knows about Jinn possession, will undoubtedly know that this is a classic attempt to make people commit shirk. And it worked, as many people started to worship these lifeless pieces of wood and marble. Anyone with half a brain would say to themselves, 'why on earth does a god need to be fed?!! Surely if Ganesh, Hanuman or Shiva were divine then they wouldn't need feeding?' However, such common sense seemed to be lacking as the Jinns played havoc with these gullible people.


The Occult

Through their powers of flying and invisibility, the Jinn are the chief component in occult activities. Voodoo, Black magic, Poltergeists, Witchcraft and Mediums can all be explained through the world of the Jinn. Likewise, so can the illusions and feats of magicians. Because the Jinn can traverse huge distances over a matter of seconds, their value to magicians is great. In return for helping them in their magic, the Jinns often ask for the magicians to sell their souls to them and even to Iblis. Thus the magicians take the Jinn and Iblis as lords besides Allah. In our day, some of the feats performed by magicians and entertainers are without doubt from the assistance of the Jinn. Making the Statue of Liberty disappear, flying across the Grand Canyon and retrieving a ship from the Bermuda Triangle[7], have all been done by the Jewish magician David Copperfield. There is NO way that a man could do such things without the assistance of the Jinn. It would not be surprising therefore, if David Copperfield had sold his soul to Iblis himself. Because of their involvement with the Jinn, and its result in shirk, the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: "The prescribed punishment for the magician is that he be executed by the sword" [8]. Some may argue that this is barbaric, but if, the likes of David Copperfield truly had powers, then they could just put their heads back on again!!

One of the most frequent activities associated with the Jinn, is fortune telling. Before the advent of the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) fortune-tellers and soothsayers were wide spread. These people would use their associates from the Jinn to find out about the future. The Jinns would go to the lowest heaven and listen to the Angels conversing amongst themselves about events of the Future which they heard from Allah. The Jinns would then inform the fortune-tellers. This is why before the time of the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) many fortune-tellers were very accurate in their predictions. However, upon the Prophet's arrival the heavens were guarded intensely by the Angels, and any Jinn who tried to listen was attacked by meteors (shooting stars):

"And We have guarded it (the heavens) from every accursed devil, except one who is able to snatch a hearing and he is pursued by a brightly burning flame"
[Surah Al-Hijr, 15:18]

The Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) also said: "They (the Jinn) would pass the information back down until it reaches the lips of a magician or forrtune-teller Sometimes a meteor would overtake them before they could pass it on. If they passed it on before being struck, they would add to it a hundred lies" [9]. Thus, it is clear from this as to how fortune-tellers get predictions of the future right. It is also evident as to why they get so many wrong. Men like Nostradamus[10] are an example, as some of his predictions of the future were correct whilst many were completely wrong. Unfortunately, the amount of fortune telling which occurs amongst the Muslims is also increasing. By visiting Muslim lands such as Morocco, one is able to see as to how much inter Jinn-fortune-teller activity there really is. If you look up at the sky on a clear night in Morocco, you will see the heavens ablaze with shooting stars! A clear display of the devils being chased away from the heavens.

Fortune-tellers also operate through the Qareen. The Qareen is the Jinn companion which is assigned to every human being. It is this Jinn which whispers to our base desires and constantly tries to divert us from righteousness. The Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: "Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn. The companions asked: Even you O' Messenger of Allah? And the Prophet replied: Even me, except that Allah has helped me against him and he has submitted. Now he only tells me to do good" [11]. Because the Qareen is with a person all his life, it knows all that has happened to the person from the cradle to the grave. By making contact with the Qareen, the fortune-teller is thus able to make out that it is he who knows about the person. He looks in his crystal ball or the palm of a person and proceeds to amaze him with knowledge which no one else knows[12]. The severity of going to a fortune-teller is such that the Prophet (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) said: "The prayer of one who approaches a fortune-teller and asks him about anything, will not be accepted for forty days or nights" [13] and: "Whosoever approaches a fortune-teller and believes in what he says, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammed" [14]

The effects of the Jinn are not just limited to fortune-tellers. Other activities such as oujia boards and seances, which are used to contact the dead, are manipulated by the Jinn. 'Are you there Charlie? Speak to us Charlie!!' are the sort of words spoken by anxious relatives (names are obviously different!) seeking to make contact with their loved ones. And it is when the Jinn starts to talk and communicate as 'Charlie', that the people are truly fooled[15].

One of the biggest manipulations of the Jinn is through visions. Through these visions the Jinns are more likely to lead people away from the worship of Allah then any other way. When a person sees a vision in front of his eyes it is something which is very hard to explain away. Only by having knowledge of the world of the Jinn and conviction in Allah, can a person fight such a trial. The countless numbers of visions of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary over the centuries has been a popular choice for the devils. It almost seems as if leading Christians astray is the most easiest trick for the Jinns! Not only are Christians fooled by these visions, but often the Jinns possess and begin to talk from their voices. To the Christians this is known as the tongues of the Angels and thus a proof for their faith. However, the amount of unintelligible nonsense and rubbish which is heard is a clear proof that this is in fact the tongues of the devils! For other people, visions of their parents or relatives are commonplace. By taking on the form of peoples parents, the Jinns can convince people that the souls of dead people still mix with the people of the earth. This is why so many people believe in ghosts.

The onslaught of satanic visions has also hit the Muslims. Many Muslims claim to have seen visions of the Prophet Muhammed (salAllahu alayhi wasalam) and even Allah! By doing this, Shaitan is able to lead astray the weak Muslims. Through such visions, Muslims are often told that the commands of Islam are not applicable to them. The Jinns tell them that Prayer, Fasting, Hajj etc. are not obligatory for them. It is a great deception and unfortunately one which has been very effective. The extent of satanic visions still continues to this day. The recent death of Diana Princess of Wales sparked off great love and adoration for this woman. In fact the grief of the British people was such, that it was as if Diana was something divine. No sooner had the mourning of Diana reached its peak, that visions of her were already being seen at Hampton Court Palace! If these visions did occur, the desire of Iblis and his army of Jinn to capitalise on this event, was evident. Such visions are clear attempts by Iblis to lead mankind away from the path of Allah [16].

The world of the Jinn is one which is both sinister and intriguing. By knowing of this world we can explain many of the mysteries and issues which bother us. By doing this we can avoid the extremes which the people have gone to; nothing being more extreme then worshipping others besides Allah. By learning the Tawheed of Allah, we defend ourselves from these hidden allies of Iblis:

"Indeed he (Iblis) and his tribe watch you from a position where you cannot see them"
[Surah Al-A'raf, 7:27]

Maybe there is a Jinn sitting in the corner of your room right now, or even one behind you. If so, then how will you deal with this creation of Allah? Learn Islam properly and you will be able to deal with all of Allah's creation - and not just the Jinn. By becoming true Muslims and followers of Islam, the fear of Iblis, Jinns and anything else will leave us - nothing will touch the Believer unless Allah wills.

[kenney]

wow. interesting post...long bu interesting lol i certainly believe in ghost (i could tell a story but that would make my post incredibly long). however, i dont perceive ghosts as another life form, more so the passed spirits of dead people. i dont really know how to explain it but i definately believe.

i see where you are coming from and i undertsand the post and how the Q'uran explains paranormal activity. but i believe that paranormal activity can be explained and understood through simple reasoning and science.

aliens exist. i cant prove it but i find it really hard to believe that this planet is the only one in the universe that has life forms. the claims that people have seen aliens on Earth, i believe are BS. yes they may have seen something strange, but alien life forms? i doubt it...imagination perhaps??? belief is a very strong weapon when used successfully.

as for the Hindu gods needing to be fed...i dont think it would be a case of them 'needing' to be fed, moreso an attempt at them being relevant and a comparison to humans.

there is no such thing as magic. only clever mind trickery that looks so real because we are led to believe that it is. the Bermuda Triangle is a VERY interesting topic, but once again i think it can be explained through simple reasoning and science (imo). the stories of ships and planes going 'missing', whats stopping them from sinking or crashing into the sea??? and because of the paranormal controvery that is associated with the Bermuda Triangle, no one has attempted to, nor wants to explore it.

Nostradamus - it is easy to criticise his 'predictions'. one of them was "two brothers will fall" or something along the lines of that (it has been translated to be a prediction od the 9/11 attack) but it's a very open prediction. he also said "the end of the world will begin in the middle east"...i could have told you that lol as i said, his predictions are very easy to criticise, he wasnt psychic or anything like that...just a glorified philosopher (interesting nonetheless)

Fortune tellers - again, very easy to criticise. i have an ability to be able to get an understanding peoples personalities, experiences etc pretty quick upon meeting them, so this gives me an idea of how they will live in the future but i dont claim to be a fortune teller. plus, fortune tellers are often found at fayres and shit like that - places where people visit very little, so whats to stop the fortune teller making up aload of BS or giving a very open prediction, because the person being told their future isnt gonna come back.

as for people having visions of religous figures such as jesus, i think that is BS too. it is too asy to just say "yeah i had a vision of Jesus earlier." and as i said before belief is a strong weapon, if you truly believe in something, it will appear in whatever form you believe it to be. Jesus is stereotypically white, and so this is what people claim to have saw, but realistically Jesus would have been black (pretty much)

my two cents, think i covered most of it lol having said all of that ^^^ each to his own and quite frankly, i dont know shit, none of us do. the human race knows nothing about the paranormal or the existence of god because there is no proof to support or reject either

[Kaboom]

wow Genghis interesting post,Youre a pretty deep fella being as young as you are.I do believe in spirits or ghost or whatever.I have firm reasons to.Can I explain them no but I do believe in them.In a sense.

[YM123]

well im the opposite i think it all a load of ballshit. just my opinion though!!

[bigbull]

i belive in ghosts and stuff

[mr_bhana]

i believe people can get possesd and i believe in jinn

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by kenney

wow. interesting post...long bu interesting lol i certainly believe in ghost (i could tell a story but that would make my post incredibly long). however, i dont perceive ghosts as another life form, more so the passed spirits of dead people. i dont really know how to explain it but i definately believe.

i see where you are coming from and i undertsand the post and how the Q'uran explains paranormal activity. but i believe that paranormal activity can be explained and understood through simple reasoning and science.

aliens exist. i cant prove it but i find it really hard to believe that this planet is the only one in the universe that has life forms. the claims that people have seen aliens on Earth, i believe are BS. yes they may have seen something strange, but alien life forms? i doubt it...imagination perhaps??? belief is a very strong weapon when used successfully.

as for the Hindu gods needing to be fed...i dont think it would be a case of them 'needing' to be fed, moreso an attempt at them being relevant and a comparison to humans.

there is no such thing as magic. only clever mind trickery that looks so real because we are led to believe that it is. the Bermuda Triangle is a VERY interesting topic, but once again i think it can be explained through simple reasoning and science (imo). the stories of ships and planes going 'missing', whats stopping them from sinking or crashing into the sea??? and because of the paranormal controvery that is associated with the Bermuda Triangle, no one has attempted to, nor wants to explore it.

Nostradamus - it is easy to criticise his 'predictions'. one of them was "two brothers will fall" or something along the lines of that (it has been translated to be a prediction od the 9/11 attack) but it's a very open prediction. he also said "the end of the world will begin in the middle east"...i could have told you that lol as i said, his predictions are very easy to criticise, he wasnt psychic or anything like that...just a glorified philosopher (interesting nonetheless)

Fortune tellers - again, very easy to criticise. i have an ability to be able to get an understanding peoples personalities, experiences etc pretty quick upon meeting them, so this gives me an idea of how they will live in the future but i dont claim to be a fortune teller. plus, fortune tellers are often found at fayres and shit like that - places where people visit very little, so whats to stop the fortune teller making up aload of BS or giving a very open prediction, because the person being told their future isnt gonna come back.

as for people having visions of religous figures such as jesus, i think that is BS too. it is too asy to just say "yeah i had a vision of Jesus earlier." and as i said before belief is a strong weapon, if you truly believe in something, it will appear in whatever form you believe it to be. Jesus is stereotypically white, and so this is what people claim to have saw, but realistically Jesus would have been black (pretty much)

my two cents, think i covered most of it lol having said all of that ^^^ each to his own and quite frankly, i dont know shit, none of us do. the human race knows nothing about the paranormal or the existence of god because there is no proof to support or reject either

Aliens do exist in Islam too, but its a long story lol, you got some very valid points mate, also the points about the power of Mind over body and how if you believe something soo strongly that even if it is not real that your mind will just make it out to you that its real... although for me I dont really get that usually I can tell something from real to fake,

There are countless reasons we do not no about the paranormal or god since God made us so we could not see such things, My Moms brother can see Ghosts (Jinn) believe you me he can, only a few people are gifted with these things,

Basically see once there was a lady in my mums village back in Pakistan right.. she once was walking down her local road, later that night when she got home a very very angry Ghost (Jinn) confonted her.. it was a female jinn and was threatning her because, Im not sure if you know this but Jinns can be harmed too, they may be strong and paranormal but like us their not industructable, now basically the Jinn was threatning the lady in my mums village and shouting at her because she went to somewhere which was very abandoned and "obviously since she cant see jinn like us" she ended up walking on or hurting the female jinns son, now the female Jinn was threatening the lady and said to the lady if my son does not survive I'll kill you. The sad thing is the poor lady she could not see Jinn it was not her fault, but majority of Ghosts (Jinn) can be ignorant/arrogant and when the lady said Im sorry I didnt see him please forgive me, the Jinn being ignorant/arrogant said "thats no excuse" unfortunatly enough... the Baby jinn didnt survive and died.. and that coldest thing is that the Female Jinn ended up strangling the lady with a cloth..,

My mum told me how they found the lady in her bedroom strangled, its a sad story but a great example of how Jinn do exist, also how God created us and how he intended for us not to see these Jinn since that was God's choice and we should accept it.

Good replys though guys, Also

YM123 why do you think its all ballshit lol, please explain?

[wrestlingstalion2]

ill keep mine short haha. i believe in ghosts. haha no real story. i just sorta do.

[Genghis]

Originally Posted by wrestlingstalion2