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Old 10-04-2007, 03:32 PM   #1
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EACH YES ANSWER IS WORTH 25 POINTS....

100 POINTS = WHITE 0 POINTS = BLACK

1. DO YOU USE A HAIR DRYER?

2. HAVE YOU EVER USED A SUN TAN BOOTH?

3. IS YOUR TESTOSTERONE UNDER 1600?

4. IS YOUR WOOD LESS THAN 8"?
 
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:04 PM   #2
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I got a 50
 
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:24 PM   #3
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questions
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4, no, unless the tape measurer lies, lol
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:36 PM   #4
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Old 10-05-2007, 06:17 AM   #5
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1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. yes........missed by 1/4"
 
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:30 PM   #6
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EACH YES ANSWER IS WORTH 25 POINTS....

100 POINTS = WHITE 0 POINTS = BLACK

1. DO YOU USE A HAIR DRYER?

2. HAVE YOU EVER USED A SUN TAN BOOTH?

3. IS YOUR TESTOSTERONE UNDER 1600?

4. IS YOUR WOOD LESS THAN 8"?
Can you actually really measure your testosterone.. Im not jking lol, I'd really like to know..
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Old 10-05-2007, 05:31 PM   #7
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Ken re-sit english dude, Passed doesn't begin with Mi..
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Old 10-05-2007, 07:51 PM   #8
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Testosterone Lab Testing


The Measurement Of Testosterone
Roland R. Tremblay

Learning Objectives

1. To understand that andropause is constituted by two structural levels and that the surface structure is amenable to diagnosis and treatment.

2. To learn that although the measurement of total testosterone (TT) in blood is still useful for the diagnosis of hypogonadism in men, in the aging male, TT may be a misleading measure of true gonadal function.

3. To develop a better understanding of the complementary role of calculated free testosterone measurements as an index of androgenicity in aging men, and to realize that these indices do not convey any information about androgen receptors and enzymes inside target cells.

4. To understand that testosterone indices are reliable to a limited extent, as illustrated with bioavailable testosterone (bio-T), given the uncertainty as to whether the dissociation of the specific steroid-SHBG complex is partial or complete at the cellular level, and given the controversy about the possible androgenic activity of the SHBG-testosterone fraction itself.

Introduction

As opposed to metabolic disorders, such as diabetes mellitus and hyperthyroidism due to Graves’ disease, which are associated with an elevation of either blood glucose or thyroid hormones, the multifactorial clinical entity of andropause appears to be due to a progressive decline in androgen levels with advancing age. In the coming years, however, this vision of andropause may be considered a simplistic explanation of an imbalance between anabolic and catabolic factors that characterize aging. As reported by Tremblay,1 andropause is constituted by two structural levels: a "deep-structure" that requires long-term research and a "surface structure" (hypogonadism) that can be accessed now by physicians. In the short term, worldwide efforts should be coordinated towards enriching the knowledge of this "surface structure", while at the same time supporting research that will define this entity unambiguously in order that treatment can be undertaken with confidence and with complete awareness of any potential side-effects.

Since our current state of knowledge indicates that male hypogonadism is the major determinant of andropause, it is reasonable that the focus of our biological testing is on assessing the physiological changes that occur as gonadal function changes with advancing age. Changes that indicate testosterone deficiency include cognitive and sexual dysfunctions, decrease in muscle mass, development of osteoporosis and increase in fat mass.2 In hypopituitarism, for which there are more than 12 underlying causes (N=1014 patients), multiple regression analyses have confirmed an association between testosterone therapy and reduced mortality in both sexes.3 Androgens may also be an important factor for maintenance of skeletal health in women with hypopituitarism.4

Testosterone Measurement in Blood

Aging is associated with decreases in total, free and bioavailable testosterone concentrations in serum, as well as with an elevated sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) level leading to increased serum SHBG testosterone binding in the circulation and a decreased metabolic clearance rate of testosterone.5

Physicians are often uncertain about which measure of testosterone best reflects hypogonadism and how to use and interpret the tests of testosterone concentration that are available.

Total Testosterone (TT)

TT is a combination of circulating testosterone bound to carrier proteins (albumin, SHBG, transcortin, transferrin) and the free/unbound hormone. The measurement of TT was achieved formerly by double isotope techniques for research purposes and elucidation of difficult clinical diagnoses such as male or female pseudohermaphroditism, congenital adrenal hyperplasia and the androgen insensitivity syndrome.

One week of laboratory work was required to perform 12 TT measurements by the older technique. TT can now be measured by a routine and inexpensive assay for the assessment of sexual dysfunction, mood disorders, chronic fatigue syndrome, male infertility, female hirsutism, menopausal women and andropause, but with a relatively low diagnostic yield. Most laboratories that measure TT make use of commercially available kits Table 1, which have a high degree of variability and inaccuracy.6

Until now, many commercial kits for the measurement of TT have been of limited value in confirming clinical studies suggestive of either partial androgen privation or androgen excess. The main concerns about these assays are purely technical:

1) the protein-labelling of testosterone (antigen);

2)the source of the antibodies developed in small mammals;

3) the specificity of the various antibodies;

4) the usage of one or two antibodies;

5) the unextracted testosterone from its biological milieu.

Technical difficulties are amplified by physicians who expect too much from the test and by biochemists who do not have the opportunity to validate the assay with a sufficient number of normal individuals. In general, however, all testosterone assays can confirm the diagnosis of castration in males and in females and of a testosterone secreting ovarian or adrenal tumor in a young woman with severe hirsutism and virilizaton.

Bioavailable Testosterone (Bio-T)

Aging is associated with pituitary and hypothalamic senescence, with a decreased synthesis of androgens by the Leydig cells in the testes and the zona reticularis of the adrenal cortex, and finally with an increased hepatic production of SHBG. Several factors thus prevail favouring a new state of equilibrium between bound and free hormones in blood. The measurement of free hormones is best achieved by equilibrium dialysis. This gold standard is used primarily in research protocols and, generally speaking, a fairly good agreement has been observed between male free hormones and androgenicity when no disorders such as androgen receptor insensitivity or polymorphism are involved in the pathogenesis of either phenotypic abnormalities or infertility problems.

Since specific assays for the direct measurement of free testosterone (FT) in serum are unreliable7 and equilibrium dialysis is not feasible on a routine basis, bioavailable testosterone (bio-T) is now considered the silver standard by many clinicians. Bio-T corresponds to the combination of serum free and albumin-bound testosterone. This concept is based on in vitro kinetic calculations (dissociation of T from albumin around 1 second as opposed to a dissociation of T from SHBG of 20-second magnitude); however, the basic assumption that T becomes completely free during the capillary transit of the hormone, and hence available to cytoplasmic androgen receptors, has been challenged by some authors.

Click this link for a Flash* animation presentation which demonstrates the process of the bio-T assay. The validation of the ammonium sulfate assay has been performed by Tremblay1 according to the set of equations derived from the law of mass action at equilibrium with two ligands (SHBG and albumin) as proposed by Vermeulen and colleagues in 1999.8 The ammonium sulfate assay based on the precipitation of SHBG by this salt was initially published in 1974 by Tremblay and Dubé9 and it was extensively used over the past decade by several authors.10 The effect of age on the decrease of bioavailable testosterone in a non-longitudinal study of disease- and drug-free individuals visiting the andrology and urology clinics of Quebec between 1997 and 1999 (N=304) is illustrated in Figure 1.



Andropausal symptoms are associated with bio-T values lower than 2.5-3.0 nmol in 15-20% of aged man who believe that the quality of their life is threatened by these symptoms. Unfortunately, despite the availability of several questionnaires, there are none which clearly identify andropause as a unique entity, and as a consequence there is no strong correlation between any andropause questionnaire and bio-T values. Bio-T remains, however, a convenient marker of androgen status and is most strongly related to diseases and risk factors such as osteopenia and mood disorders in aged individuals. The merits of this assay are summarized in Table 2 and Table 2b.

Free Testosterone (FT)

The purpose of FT measurement is to correct the total testosterone concentration for the effect of variable binding by SHBG. It would appear, therefore, to be more appropriate to measure FT rather than TT when investigating for hypoandrogenicity. Methods available to measure FT can be complex (equilibrium dialysis and calculated free testosterone (CFT)) or simple (the commercial FT kit "Coat-A-Count" using an analog tracer).11

What is easy, however, does not necessarily serve the best interests of patients, because analog tracers do, in fact, bind to serum proteins leading to diagnostic unreliability,12 more specifically to underestimation of FT in serum. Surprisingly, nearly 50% of authors around the world are still publishing research results in endocrine journals based on an unreliable, but easy to use assay.13

The new trend since the publications of Vermeulen et al. in 1999, Tremblay in 2001 and Morley et al. in 2002,14 favors the simultaneous measurement of TT and SHBG (e.g Irma-Count, DPC) and then a calculated free testosterone (CFT) value derived from the law of mass action at equilibrium using a specially designed computer program containing a complex mathematical formulation. The program was supplied to us by Dr. J.M. Kaufman, Ghent, Belgium. The above-mentioned three authors reached a similar conclusion when bio-T was compared to CFT (Figure 2). There is an excellent correlation between bio-T measurements and CFT with "r" values ranging between 0.7 and 0.9. Table 3 and Table 3b summarizes a few issues (pro and con) to take into account when using CFT.

Key Points

1. Laboratories able to provide a CFT value as an index of androgenicity should use commercial kits similar to those selected by Vermeulen, Tremblay and Morley in order to reproduce published results. Validation of the CFT measurement should be performed by each laboratory using this technique with populations of young adults and older men in good health.15

2. Many laboratories keep serum specimens for 2 to 3 weeks at –20°C. During that time no significant changes occur in the T and SHBG kinetics. This sample can be frequently used to add other tests, as needed, or if not originally ordered.

Conclusion

Aging men with symptoms of hypogonadism share clinical manifestations very similar to those of younger individuals distressed by pituitary tumors, selective gonadotropin insufficiency and testicular failure of various origins. The clinical diagnosis in the latter conditions may, indeed, be supported by TT measurements; however, in situations such as aging, thyroid disorders, obesity and the use of certain medications (anti-androgens, anti-epileptic agents, estrogens, progestational agents), the correlation between the clinical symptoms and TT concentration is often poor. This observation could be associated with abnormal kinetics between T and SHBG or ascribed to variations in SHBG concentrations during life and in the course of several chronic illness.16 The best method of assessing hypoandrogenicity is to measure bio-T or CFT to minimize the number of false positive or false negative associations between the clinical state and testosterone indexes.14
 
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[quote=ACEPLUMBING;432237]EACH YES ANSWER IS WORTH 25 POINTS....

100 POINTS = WHITE 0 POINTS = BLACK

1. HAVE YOU EVER USED A CONDOM? YES

2. HAVE YOU EVER KISSED A BOY? NO

3. DO YOU HAVE 2 BALLS? YES

4. IS YOUR PECKER MORE THAN 9" YES

SCORE 75 POINTS..
 
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[quote=ACEPLUMBING;432237]EACH YES ANSWER IS WORTH 25 POINTS....

100 POINTS = WHITE 0 POINTS = BLACK

1. DO YOU USE A HAIR DRYER? YES

2. HAVE YOU EVER USED A SUN TAN BOOTH? YES

3. IS YOUR TESTOSTERONE OVER 1600? YES

4. IS YOUR WILLY LESS THAN 5"? YES

SCORES 100 POINTS
 
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Old 10-05-2007, 11:38 PM   #11
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Am I the only one that finds this thread a little on the racist side?
 
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