[Mygeeto]

what are your thoughts on this which seems to be the talk of the town as of late

[compulut]

Excellent topic.

My thoughts are that it is inconceivable, that humans can not be having an impact on the gradual increase in temperature of the earth. When you look at the data, the increase of temps since the industrial revolution are like night & day in comparison to those prior to that time.
The only people that do not believe this to be the case, are either ignorant of the facts (correctable), on somebody's payroll (think big oil), or too stupid to understand the issue.

Now, whether or not anything that we do, as humans, can impact that trend is possibly up for debate. Supposedly, the methane released from cattle production far outweighs all of the carbon monoxide released from all automobiles. Which tells us, that we could make a theoretically larger impact, by becoming vegetarians than we could by buying more efficient cars or looking for alternative auto fuel sources.

I think all of us should take what steps we are comfortable with, even if for no other reason than the fact that most of them actually save $ as well as possibly helping the problem. For example, I stack my errands, running to the bank, the post office, the store, the gym, etc. all in one run (or by walking instead of using a car) in order to save that little bit. Additionally, I swapped out all lightbulbs for compact florescents long ago. I live in the sub-tropics, however, and I don't like the heat - therefore, I run the air pretty cool, and don't compromise on that area.

I think that the bigger question, though, is we know that all of the by-products from petroleum products are not good for us, nor for the earth. We know that we have the capability of alternative, renewable fuel sources. (Like solar - especially in Asia and Africa, wind and water, etc.) We know that we have the initiative to develop new renewable fuels. Even if we are too late, and can't stop the warming trend, why not use these other fuel sources? It makes no sense to me.

[Mygeeto]

there is this thing going around called the LIVE EARTH CONCERT which is a heap of artists doing big big concerts all around the world to raise the awareness of global warming.

its funny you see because each member of each band will by flying to every country, and each concert hall will be stacked up with tones of high voltage sound and electronic equipment, people will drive in the thousands to these concerts to be there live AND millions of others will be flicking thier televisions on all at the same time!
what a great help to the enviroment that is

personaly i think its another fear tactic, you know...the ones all governments play on thier regular powerless folk to try to keep them under thier control.. such as these things:
the terroist attacks and other possible, 9/11, the killer bee's in south america that were supose to be migrating up to north america in the 1960's.. computer viruses spreading to humans, Y2K, bird flu, the oil crisis, the revelations of the bible including Armageddon itself, witchcraft, this shit about steroids, and there being no such thing as black supremacy (no offence to any man or woman of colour here, but i am white and proud but the rest of the world has a hard time coping with that), and god knows that the hell else

i aint buying into any of it, but if oil and all other limited fuels run out WITHOUT there being sufficient stocks of renewable fuels, then we could be looking at some serious problems. maybe even civil war you never know but just imagine life as it is in the Mad Max films. but then again, the people in power (the extremly wealthy and the government) would be all well prepared to shut down anything like that.. maybe im thinking a little too head of myself here so i will just end it now

[compulut]

I think it was Marilyn Manson (sp?) that was interviewed in one of Michael Moore's films where I first heard the term "Fear and Consumption". I see where you're coming from in regards to the governments (and people in power - meaning monied people whether in government overtly or involved covertly) attempting to persuade the masses to not evolve, in an effort to keep the status quo.

I actually see this as an opportunity, to shift the 'power' literally to an entirely new group of people. If some brainiac could come up with a renewable, clean, efficient power source, suddenly - the control that the wealthy hold erodes. Those countries with the massive stores of oil, for example, become powerless, as their oil is no longer needed. It then forces 'Big Auto' to get off of their lazy asses, and make vehicles that can utilize the new energy source - or yet another opportunity for a different group to take control over that market segment as well.

As for the concerts, I see your point there as well. In investing - it is often said that you can't make money without spending it, and your likelihood of massive gains, is dependant upon your ability to take a larger risk. Yes. These concerts will consume massive amounts of energy. But if they effect a change in consumption, in such a way as they hope to do, by virtue of educating people in simple ways to reduce their use, this could be a payoff 10-fold over the initial expense. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that the energy cost of this whole event is 1 unit. If the changes that they effect result in a savings of say 1 unit per month, than this concert has paid for it's energy consumption in the first month. Each month of savings after that is just cream. That's an extreme, and unrealistic example, but I still think it is doable.

The Aids in Africa concert (which hoped to raise $1 million for that issue, ended up raising $280 million). "We are the world" did something similar, and continues to rais money for it's cause to this day. Woodstock catapulted the world into a sexual revolution.

I know that your a music enthusiast, so I hope that you can see the potential value to this effort.

[lil_big_junior]

OMG - excellent topic

[KEN777]

total nonsense made up by people who want to destabilize western society and turn it back to the stone age with no cars,electricity or modern equipment..it is a sham and a total lie...

[compulut]

How can every scientist on the globe (other than those that are on the payroll of the governments or the industries that profit off of this rape of the planet and destruction of the atmosphere) be wrong?

98% of all known scientists believe that humans are impacting global warming.

Follow the money. Every scientist that does not believe this is happening, (or claims not to) is on somebody's payroll to state that he does not believe it. The evidence is indisputable.

[KEN777]

Originally Posted by compulut

How can every scientist on the globe (other than those that are on the payroll of the governments or the industries that profit off of this rape of the planet and destruction of the atmosphere) be wrong?

98% of all known scientists believe that humans are impacting global warming.

Follow the money. Every scientist that does not believe this is happening, (or claims not to) is on somebody's payroll to state that he does not believe it. The evidence is indisputable.

not true a vast number of renowned scientists say this is a load of crap....dont believe the propaganda it's all lies..

[GG1]

well from a 15yr olds perspective...all i know is that where i am in florida its dreading hot outside....and the electric company is eating my familys money away for the air conditioning lol

[Mygeeto]

Originally Posted by compulut

As for the concerts, I see your point there as well. In investing - it is often said that you can't make money without spending it, and your likelihood of massive gains, is dependant upon your ability to take a larger risk. Yes. These concerts will consume massive amounts of energy. But if they effect a change in consumption, in such a way as they hope to do, by virtue of educating people in simple ways to reduce their use, this could be a payoff 10-fold over the initial expense. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that the energy cost of this whole event is 1 unit. If the changes that they effect result in a savings of say 1 unit per month, than this concert has paid for it's energy consumption in the first month. Each month of savings after that is just cream. That's an extreme, and unrealistic example, but I still think it is doable.

The Aids in Africa concert (which hoped to raise $1 million for that issue, ended up raising $280 million). "We are the world" did something similar, and continues to rais money for it's cause to this day. Woodstock catapulted the world into a sexual revolution.

I know that your a music enthusiast, so I hope that you can see the potential value to this effort.

well you see thats the thing..
first it was AIDS in Africa and world poverty, drought relief for australia, and a whole lot of other gigs happen but its like a flavour of the month thing. i dont think people really care what happens so long as there is another big concert to go to.
there is still aids in africa, poverty runs wide spread, australia's farmers are still up shit creek except the shit has dried out and solidified, wtf? when and where does it end?

[kenney]

of course its happening, that is evident with the floods and constant rain (throughout summer) in Britain. however, i dont think humans contribute as much as scientists like us to believe, of course its a big problem, so the authorities are going to exaggertae it to encourage us to do something about it. a make shift solution is to adapt to renewable energy sources, will the government do that? will they bollocks! will the general public do that? will they bollocks! why you ask...well boys and girls, because its too damn expensive! the American/British government wont do anything about the mass trading of oil because if they do, the oil giants will simply move to another country! therefore the governments will lose money. and that is what its all about...money. whoever said money is the root of all evil, wasnt far off, i can be certain of that