[Ghosting]

After watching this I am outraged and think it was our government. Not saying terrorist dont blow stuff up but this is a huge cover-up. Bush is going down. :mad: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ge+2nd+Edition

Discuss?

[jornT]

You realize that is 1:21:50 long?

[Ghosting]

Originally Posted by jornT

You realize that is 1:21:50 long?

Yes, and sadly I watched the whole thing.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Ghosting

Yes, and sadly I watched the whole thing.

Summary?

[Lineski]

I started watching it, it was really intriquing but even without seeing the whole thing, it's impossible to say what the government is lying to us and covering up and what they're not; there's no way of ever knowing even from the inside. I'm not saying ignorance is bliss because I feel the American people deserve to know the truth about most instances, but some secrets are best kept at that, secrets. Do we really want some of the American people out there to know exactly what's going on? No, even if they're "entitled" to. However, cover-up is something that has existed for years under both Democratic and Republican rule and that's something that will never change, right or wrong. However, I do think there was much more to the 9/11 incident than the average media outlet and the governement itself would lead us to believe, but you have to realize that there is no way for us to ever know the entire truth. And that's what scares me. Fear has been a big theme for this administration and will be until the end of their term; then who knows what will come next. We're living in a modern day cold war, although this time there's no proof to it, no identifiable enemy, no way to know who's side to be on. I'm tired of being lied to and tired of being ruled under a cloud of fear and warning...how's the weather in Australia, guys?

[Ghosting]

After seeing the massive amounts of evidence, Im conviced it was a lie.

[U-GOD]

i think Lineski is right. unfortunately there is zero chance of us finding out the truth. do i think theres more to it than the official story? sure. do i think that its because of money? no.

however im not sure what you mean Lineski when you say "Fear has been a big theme for this administration and will be until the end of their term". i remember when you couldnt say anything about the president and all of the uber-conservative scare tactics but i think thats blown over. for the most part i think that was a result of supporters of the president being naive, rather than an official doctrine. i mean if it were the intention of the administration to scare the people, then how is a movie like this made and distributed and how are the people who made it still alive? just a thought..


bottom line- muslims still need to quit blowing shit up when things dont go right

[Lineski]

When I said that fear was a big theme I basically meant this:

Ever since 9/11 the Bush Administration has been, via themselves or some sort of media outlet, from time to time, dropping hints that attacks are to follow and we are to be trustworthy that our governemtn is working hard to protect us. This seems, and probably is, a diversion from any domestic problems or questioning of the average American. Remember the terrorist attack color code? That's exactly what I'm talking about.

After the war on terror blew over (man, that was scary, thank God it's over lol), Iraq became the bigger issue. Without going into why we're there, we needed to re-elect the current president in order for him to "finish what he started". Once again, fear comes into play because we're afraid that our troops died in vain and if that's discovered or it is commonly accepted that it was for an unjust cause, people will be upset. Also, Iran started up their nuclear facilities again and although they claim it's only for energy sources, we're not listening and threaning them too. Regardless of whether or not Iran does intend to make themselves a nuclear power is irrelevent because the point is they are nuclear-capable and our government wants us to know we don't support it. Mostly, what I'm saying is that there are several (many more) instances that have taken place over the past term and a half that were handled specifically to make it seem that we were in a much vunerable situation then we actually were.

And on the subject of Muslims bombing things, I'm leaving that alone...

[U-GOD]

i concur. although i would make the point that leaders throughout history have done the same thing. it just seems awfully convenient, as you pointed out, that all of these circumstances make it possible for the president to become more authoritative.

[DaeguDave]

W's covered up lots of stuff. Clinton lied about domestic scandals and the need for US force in Somalia and the Balkans. Bush I said we fought Iraq for the first time to protect Kuwait, but it was really to prevent Hussein from taking the Arabian peninsula and gaining a huge share of world oil reserves. Reagan and the boys covered up things dealing with the Iran Contra scandal and interventions in Panama. Carter may not have misled us on the Iran hostage situation, but he sure didn't do anything to help it. Nixon was the worst president of the century with Vietnam, Watergate, etc.

The list goes on. If you don't want to be lied to by your government, wherever you live, you're only choice is to go live on an island by yourself.

As for the US government being behind 9/11? Nope. We got caught with our pants down by a group of 19 hijackers and maybe a dozen guys behind it. When I lived in Dubai I taught a guy who worked at one of the banks that laundered a third of the 9/11 money. I asked him if he knew about it beforehand, which he denied. But he said not only did the boss two levels above him know of it, he tacitly approved of it. If you're looking for government officials who knew this was coming before it happened I would suggest perusing the secret files of a few Saudis and Emiratis.

But if you're asking did the current administration unfairly take advantage of the post-9/11 situation by pushing through the Patriot Act and authorization to attack anyone they deemed hostile while the country was still reeling from the devestation? Definitely. I don't think the Bush administration is evil, but they did take unfair advantage of our population and our congress in late '01 and now they feel the need to make sure we stay in Iraq until it's resolved, hopefully for the better.

[jornT]

I skip this thread.

[Ghosting]

Originally Posted by DaeguDave

As for the US government being behind 9/11? Nope.

So all that overwhelming info was false? Im just curious to hear all the explainations.

[DaeguDave]

Overwhelming evidence? I've never seen nor read a single credible shred of evidence that would lead a rational person to believe the U.S. government was behind 9/11. If you can supply some I'd love to see it.