[Freak]

Good advice on starting a log. Your weight loss will not be linear. That is fine that you did not lose any weight that week, give your body time to adjust and stick with it. Stay positive, you can do it keep pushing forward!

[asha]

Welcome to the Dungeon for starters :)
You seem extremely dedicated for a start and reading all your posts was actually quite inspirational :). After reading All of your above posts, I dont think i read if you snacked at all? If not, What do you eat in between meals etc. Perhaps add something small and insignificant in the day that increase your energy levels to keep you going throughout the day then in the long run will get you out and about exercising. Obviously as you've already stated you joints are a major issue contributing to your exercise rates and with the excess weight on your shoulders Wont really help, BUT!. As most of the Dungeon have already come up with something ill try and have a say :). Just start slowly , finding your limits as for the exercise part, Try and find a stable rate where you can work off X number of calories before your joint pain returns and then work from that. What exercises have you been doing to burn it off, out of curiosity.
Wishing you all the best With it Mate, I'm Sure that you will get the results you want and you can start a healthier more active lifestyle :) Go get em!
Ash

[5211]

i can't believe you guys told her to go on the akins diet... so bad...

sure she'll lose weight in the short term but does any of you know the rebound rate of that diet in the long term as in 2 - 3 months later??

all the subjects is more than likely to gain the weight and more

god.. u can't just apply ur **** to this poor girl..

going into ketosis = starving urself... the difference between between that and having high protein in her food is that she doesn't break down her muscles for the protein as much

problem with that is .. she's store more fat when she starts to eat again and u'll effectively would have slowed down her metabolism even more

[JakeVendetta]

I cant view the first page but if i remember correctly she was going to do a variation of the traditional ketogenic diet where you have 36 hour refeeds weekly to keep hormones in balance, and replenish glycogen stores. I'm sure there is still some flaw in this theory though :-/

[5211]

if ketosis diets work then diabetics all over the world would be on em

no carbs = no risk ...

and so would all the worlds obese/overweight population.

research have found over and over again that akins diets of super low carbs and high problem produce results in the short term

but long term the participants always gain back the weight + more. reason why it went out of fashion

it's ok if body builders use em cause they want the effects short term (not considering all the other risk factors)

but to tell an person who is trying to lose weight and keep it that way is just setting them up for failour

because there is no way she can keep that diet and the moment she goes off.. back the weight it comes and down goes her motivation.

[under construction]

that has been said about all diets since time began^^^

[JakeVendetta]

Originally Posted by 5211

if ketosis diets work then diabetics all over the world would be on em

no carbs = no risk ...

and so would all the worlds obese/overweight population.

research have found over and over again that akins diets of super low carbs and high problem produce results in the short term

but long term the participants always gain back the weight + more. reason why it went out of fashion

it's ok if body builders use em cause they want the effects short term (not considering all the other risk factors)

but to tell an person who is trying to lose weight and keep it that way is just setting them up for failour

because there is no way she can keep that diet and the moment she goes off.. back the weight it comes and down goes her motivation.

1. this is not an atkins diet, its a cyclic ketogenic diet, unlike atkins you still have carbs. Just for 36 hours of the week, generally speaking.

2. We have to ask ourselves, why do so many gain this weight back. Is the diet to blame or the persons lifestyle choices.

3. You say its affective short term... right there tells us the diet DOES work. This kind of diet is generally used SHORT TERM. Its not a permenant answer obviously. Although there have been numerous people stay on this diet for years at a time with no problems.

4. This diet is like any other diet its affectiveness and effects on health are going to be equal to the amount of effort you put into making it so.

5. I'm not saying this diet is a end all or cure for obesity, I'm just saying that it serves its purpose.

[ChelseaF]

Hey Femme Fatale... as a self confessed junk food junkie...Big Macs were my best freind...never thought I could live w/out them....BUT I have since last October....not even tempted. I've been doing this low carb thing since then...and just recently...maybe on month ago, started w/the Ketogenic to get me past my "plateau". And it worked.

I saw where you wrote something about 'for the rest of mylife'...well I truly beleive I can and will be able to stick w/this "diet" for the rest of mylife (i'm 35). Its easy...it truly is. I've never felt compelled to write to anyone on any website, or forum or board...but I really feel for you. I am only 5ft tall and at my heaviest weighed 225 consistantly for about 8 years ( i once..just once weighed in at the doctors office at 231...yikes). I now weight 165..i was stuck at 169-171 for two months before Ketogenic...then I was able to bust thru that plateau..I've also started weight training..not wimpy weight training either...fairly heavy weight, I love how my body has shaped up...i have these sexy muscles in my back I never even knew I could achieve...I do not look like a body builder...but I definately have definition...even some HUGE body building man at the gym told me I nice biceps :)

Not to write a book here, but the reason I feel I can stick to this diet is because basically its monday thru friday...and you carb-load on saturdayafternnon, thru Sunday... (someone here will correct my timeframe i know) but i feel like I work out hard in that gym...I eat GOOD all week and then weekends I eat what I want...i still do not eat fast food because I choose not to. But I had mexican rice this weekend, bbq, more rice (another weakness of mine) but I still have portion control thats the thing...for me I mean. Please get more info on this diet...I'm really excited for you to try it. I'm still not done w/weight loss...I still have a few lbs to lose, but muscle weighs more than fat and I definately have muslces..So now I'm not SO much interested in what my scale reads...I just know what I want my body to look like...its almost there...and whatever size pants I wear that day, or whatever the scale reads that day...well that will be that. There...I think I'm done. GOOD LUCK TO YOU!! Please keep me and the rest of us informed.

[FemmeFatale]

*sigh* I don't know what's happened. Everything fell apart completely when we had to go a few weeks without groceries and the only thing in the house was ...well, rice, water, cereal, and coffee. I've gained everything I lost (though it wasn't much) and more back. I also have been really anxious/depressed lately because I'm now bigger than I've ever been and I have no clothes that fit me. Even my fattest pair of fat jeans are torn. :(

[under construction]

rice water and coffe couldnt have done that to you. What the heck kind of cereal are you eating?

[LOSTINLUV]

Hello to everyone here. I just want to say that I have read a lot of forums on weight loss and YOU guys are the MOST supportive...so I joined. So thanks for helping me out too!!

Femme Fatale, Let me start by telling you Don't give up!!! Let me breif you on my story first, I'm a 24 year old female with 4 children. My weight was at 318lbs and I was shocked and didn't know what to do. Then I bought the a south beach diet book. I started the diet may 28 2008. This was not hard but understand this, I live off of little debbie(snack cakes) !!!! The very first thing I had to do was to find something to REALLY inspire me to lose weight. My children, my husband, and my life. Even thought I want to fit in those size 14 jeans, that's not enough to keep you motivated. Besides I didn't want all the health problems!!

Anyway, I had to do something I hate(because I'm in school) I had to write down everything I ate, the color of the keto sticks and record my weight once a week. even though I weigh myself every day!!

The first week I lost 9lbs.
Second-2lbs.
Third-2lbs
Fourth-0 none!!

I stopped right there because by then I was only eating 800ish calories a day!! So I took a whole week and ate what ever I wanted. I'm serious what ever I wanted(I'm a cook!!!)BUT I still exercised. I thought I would gain a lot of weight so I went to the scale and I had lost another 4lbs in week 5

week 5-4lbs
week6-6lbs
week7-1

After week 5 I went back on the diet and after week 7 I came back off because , again my body was getting use to it!!

Week 8- 0
Week 9- 4lbs

The basic thing is to fine something that works for YOU and your body. Every body is different and you have to study yourself to fine out how you work. I actually added fiber pills and started eating fruit and stuff and I'm still losing weight but I try not to go over 1200 calories a day and I keep the protein up!!

I know you can't exercise a lot but anything is always better than nothing!! I only walk 500 steps a day on the stair stepper!! So I don't do alot but I try to add differnt things to my schedule. For the most part, I'm sitting in front of this computer!!!! So again, it's all about you and your body. If you don't lose any weight for a week, don't get depressed because your body takes time to adjust and sometimes it need's a "shock"(something different) Keep trying and you will get there. Good Luck!!!

[LOSTINLUV]

Also, I take Alpha Lipoic pills because it helps my skin to take shape(elasticity) and also it helps your body to properly metabolize carbs. I take 200mg twice a day, usually in the morning and the last meal of the day!! Take them before you eat!!

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by LOSTINLUV

Hello to everyone here. I just want to say that I have read a lot of forums on weight loss and YOU guys are the MOST supportive...so I joined. So thanks for helping me out too!!

Femme Fatale, Let me start by telling you Don't give up!!! Let me breif you on my story first, I'm a 24 year old female with 4 children. My weight was at 318lbs and I was shocked and didn't know what to do. Then I bought the a south beach diet book. I started the diet may 28 2008. This was not hard but understand this, I live off of little debbie(snack cakes) !!!! The very first thing I had to do was to find something to REALLY inspire me to lose weight. My children, my husband, and my life. Even thought I want to fit in those size 14 jeans, that's not enough to keep you motivated. Besides I didn't want all the health problems!!

Anyway, I had to do something I hate(because I'm in school) I had to write down everything I ate, the color of the keto sticks and record my weight once a week. even though I weigh myself every day!!

The first week I lost 9lbs.
Second-2lbs.
Third-2lbs
Fourth-0 none!!

I stopped right there because by then I was only eating 800ish calories a day!! So I took a whole week and ate what ever I wanted. I'm serious what ever I wanted(I'm a cook!!!)BUT I still exercised. I thought I would gain a lot of weight so I went to the scale and I had lost another 4lbs in week 5

week 5-4lbs
week6-6lbs
week7-1

After week 5 I went back on the diet and after week 7 I came back off because , again my body was getting use to it!!

Week 8- 0
Week 9- 4lbs

The basic thing is to fine something that works for YOU and your body. Every body is different and you have to study yourself to fine out how you work. I actually added fiber pills and started eating fruit and stuff and I'm still losing weight but I try not to go over 1200 calories a day and I keep the protein up!!

I know you can't exercise a lot but anything is always better than nothing!! I only walk 500 steps a day on the stair stepper!! So I don't do alot but I try to add differnt things to my schedule. For the most part, I'm sitting in front of this computer!!!! So again, it's all about you and your body. If you don't lose any weight for a week, don't get depressed because your body takes time to adjust and sometimes it need's a "shock"(something different) Keep trying and you will get there. Good Luck!!!

Eating too little calories can create a micro nutrient deficiency. Eating too little also will increase appetite, cravings and slow down metabolism. The body is like a see-saw if you push it too much in one direction it snaps back in the other. Thats why i'm a big proponent of CKD.


Femmefatale, if your able to get online everyday, commit to emailing me at least once a day, i'll spend at least 1 week personally consulting you if you want to hop back on the wagon of low carb dieting and training.

[FemmeFatale]

Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

Eating too little calories can create a micro nutrient deficiency. Eating too little also will increase appetite, cravings and slow down metabolism. The body is like a see-saw if you push it too much in one direction it snaps back in the other. Thats why i'm a big proponent of CKD.


Femmefatale, if your able to get online everyday, commit to emailing me at least once a day, i'll spend at least 1 week personally consulting you if you want to hop back on the wagon of low carb dieting and training.

I would love to write back and forth with you for a while... Maybe that would help me out. I'm sorry it's taken a few days to reply... I sort of went on a surprise trip to visit my sister and help her move! She paid for me to go, but I felt completely useless while I was there! I could only do a little before I had to sit. I felt so awful watching everyone carrying things up and down the stairs while I sat there, winded, doing nothing for like 2/3 of the time! Argh!

Anyway, I'm back now. Was gone for like, five days. I feel icky, too. Not only do I realize just how out of shape I am (observe my behavior during "The Move") but I also just feel downright exhausted because my sister does NOT cook. Like, at all. She eats out twice a day and doesn't eat breakfast. And somehow she weighs 70 lbs less than me (and still complains constantly about how fat and disgusting she is. Oh, well, if you're fat...I'm a tank!) Anyway, yes, I am very interested. Can you send me a private message? I'd really REALLY like to start working on this again.

[PoppaDLo]

Originally Posted by FemmeFatale

I would love to write back and forth with you for a while... Maybe that would help me out. I'm sorry it's taken a few days to reply... I sort of went on a surprise trip to visit my sister and help her move! She paid for me to go, but I felt completely useless while I was there! I could only do a little before I had to sit. I felt so awful watching everyone carrying things up and down the stairs while I sat there, winded, doing nothing for like 2/3 of the time! Argh!

Anyway, I'm back now. Was gone for like, five days. I feel icky, too. Not only do I realize just how out of shape I am (observe my behavior during "The Move") but I also just feel downright exhausted because my sister does NOT cook. Like, at all. She eats out twice a day and doesn't eat breakfast. And somehow she weighs 70 lbs less than me (and still complains constantly about how fat and disgusting she is. Oh, well, if you're fat...I'm a tank!) Anyway, yes, I am very interested. Can you send me a private message? I'd really REALLY like to start working on this again.

I gotta say I just stumbled onto this thread and it's amazing. I too came to this site when I first started my jorney at only 5 foot 2 and almost 300lbs and now sit today about 1.5 years later closer to my goal of becoming an entry into the Maine state police academy and at 230lbs it so so much closer. Keep reading, keep posting and keep asking questions. You WILL get answers, you WILL get help and most of all you WILL get support and unlike most other forums and boards you will NOT get down on, you will NOT get flamed/made fun of and you will NOT get turned away.

Okay, that's my two cents about how freaking amazing the dungeon is. Good luck.

[FemmeFatale]

Originally Posted by PoppaDLo

I gotta say I just stumbled onto this thread and it's amazing. I too came to this site when I first started my jorney at only 5 foot 2 and almost 300lbs and now sit today about 1.5 years later closer to my goal of becoming an entry into the Maine state police academy and at 230lbs it so so much closer. Keep reading, keep posting and keep asking questions. You WILL get answers, you WILL get help and most of all you WILL get support and unlike most other forums and boards you will NOT get down on, you will NOT get flamed/made fun of and you will NOT get turned away.

Okay, that's my two cents about how freaking amazing the dungeon is. Good luck.

Thanks for that. I really, really appreciate your input/encouragement!

[rIPPDUP]

hey femme, i just wanted to offer some words of encouragement. i stumbled upon this thread and just wanted to let you know what you have all of our support and well wishes. keep a positive attitude, and a smile on your face, you'll find your goals come easier then :) anything i can do to help, feel free to let me know.

[FemmeFatale]

Originally Posted by rIPPDUP

hey femme, i just wanted to offer some words of encouragement. i stumbled upon this thread and just wanted to let you know what you have all of our support and well wishes. keep a positive attitude, and a smile on your face, you'll find your goals come easier then :) anything i can do to help, feel free to let me know.

Hey, thanks for that. I really do appreciate all words of encouragement. I just feel so ... up against a wall right now. I'm so far out of my comfort zone weightwise (I was so confident and comfortable around 180) that I feel the stress of every single extra pound on me. I feel tired and sick and weak like, all the time. I can barely even really walk around like I used to. I used to be able to just walk to the store (as an example) and home again and only start to hurt (in my knees) about a block from the house. Now I can barely make it to the store, nevermind getting back.

[Stabber]

Eating around 7 times each day helps a lot, but eat little each meal. Not too many carbs

[rIPPDUP]

just make sure that you keep excercising. walk each day for a little bit on a treadmill or do the bike or the eliptical machine at the gym.

[highlats]

Hi Femme Fatale, hope things are still on track for you.

If walking bothers your joints, how about grabbing two of those unopened soup cans and using them as dumbells?

Overhead presses, side laterals, curls - 50 rep sets of each, 3 times per day & 1st thing in the morning before your shower, and drink a large glass of water before eating anything. The soup cans will offer a little resistance which will burn some calories. You could lie on the floor and do flat flyes with them. Each time you look at Vegetables imagine that each carrot/tomato you eat reduces your weight by a pound. Then they may taste better ! Drink a large glass of water when waking up, and one before you go to bed. good luck and stick with it, remember your initial success, one step at a time can get you far

[5211]

Originally Posted by FemmeFatale

*sigh* I don't know what's happened. Everything fell apart completely when we had to go a few weeks without groceries and the only thing in the house was ...well, rice, water, cereal, and coffee. I've gained everything I lost (though it wasn't much) and more back. I also have been really anxious/depressed lately because I'm now bigger than I've ever been and I have no clothes that fit me. Even my fattest pair of fat jeans are torn. :(

i'm going to apologise in advance because i 'm going to come off as a D|CK but i need to say this

First part is not for femme.. but to the rest of you who started to dish out this ketosis diet... i hate to say it but i friggen told you so.. i dont wanna be an ass but you have to be responsible when you dish this kind of advice out which can affect her medically, physically and mentally..

unless you have a good and i mean REaLLY GOOD grasp on the whole diet thing and have a decent amount of exp and have patients of ur own .. U SHOULD NOT BE GIVING ADVICE...

instead.. give resources.. refer to people.. people such as maybe big red.. people who are more educated and do this as a profession..

she is not just ur every day healthy person case *no offence femme*

do u know her medical condition.?

DID YOU conducted a medical history
done any physicals on her?

without any of these vital information

HOW THE F CAN U TAPER UR DIET TO HER? or even give sound and safe advice?

if the diet works.. great but what it it doesn't

u can
1. cause serious health problems for her

Why? what if her weight gain was a medical condition? and not as simple as it appears on the surface

what if she's hypervolemic . .. ?? do u know what decrease in nutrients such as proteins might do to her?
what if she had underlying kidney problems such as nephrotic syndrome??
what if she's hypo/hyper kalemic?
liver problems
heart problems

any of u have any idea what the contra indications of ur diet might have if she had any of these conditions?

ofcourse i AM taking things to the extreme .. but WHAT IF?

2. affect her self esteem dramatically if these "DIETS" don't work

"she's depressed" "feels up against the wall"
what if ur advice fails and she gets worse? u gonna be there and take care of her or just gonna go on with ur happy life?

femme is a person an actual person ... u absolutely sure ur diet will work? and is perfectly safe?

are you going to take responsibility if u set her up for failure or are u just going to say.. "oh well i tried.. but i donno what to do"

she came here for help and you guys should be more responsible.



now rant over

Femme..

My personal oppinion to you is be careful of the advices out there.. it might be all in good intention but these guys are not professionals and thus the advice given isn't always right for you...


even if their intention is good.. the advice may not be..

all i can say is get a professional to assess you and help you... if u can't afford it or it's not an option

then educate urself .... not by a bunch of forumers .. and not from magazine articles..

but do the research .. find out how ur body works.. why diets are they way they are.

if u take anything form this .. it should be.. BE CAREFUL and educate urself

peace out.. and sorry to all if i came off as a D|cK head.. i get worked up sometimes.. with things like this

[5211]

Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

2. We have to ask ourselves, why do so many gain this weight back. Is the diet to blame or the persons lifestyle choices.

3. You say its affective short term... right there tells us the diet DOES work. This kind of diet is generally used SHORT TERM. Its not a permenant answer obviously. Although there have been numerous people stay on this diet for years at a time with no problems.

4. This diet is like any other diet its affectiveness and effects on health are going to be equal to the amount of effort you put into making it so.

point 2.

if a person has a family to support and has to work 50 hour weeks.. and u tell them you have to exercise 6 horus a day 6 times a week just like a body builder u think they gonna follow it? if they fail you gonna blame their life style..?/ or maybe u gave bad advice?

you have to cater for everyone individually.

femme obviously likes food. and she eats. you can't just expect her to go cold turkey and stay that way for the rest of her life..

u need to make compromises.. don't expect miracles from people... not everyone is as strong willed as you and not everyone diets under ideal conditions..


point 3.

if 1 diet helps u to lose weight 0.5 kg a week but 80% of people stay on it

and diet 2 helps you to lose 5kg a week but only 1% of people stay on it

which do u think is the better diet?

just because it works and people stay on it.. doesn't make it a good diet to give.

ketosis with carbs 36 hours a week..honestly how many people in the general population do you think live like this?


point 4

.. no
diets should be catered for individuals.. hence the reason we have dietitians..

although there is some truth in

affectiveness and effects on health are going to be equal to the amount of effort you put into making it so

but
there is a reason why overweight people are overweight and yes maybe they aren't as strong willed as you like them to be but it is just something you have to work around..

for general pop maybe a simple diet and exercise regime will work..


but femme *no offence* isnt really an normal case is she? she needs advice from professionals? and advice catered to her

and i don't think any of you (unless u pull out some qualifications) are qualified to give that kind of advice safely..

if you wanna help.. point her in the right direction .. give her resources.. and not just give a diet you think is good and will work...



i don't know how the health care system in America works but i think everyone should get the right to be able to see a physician and professional to talk about this.. instead of being forced to come onto a forum and get advice from randoms because she can't get health insurance.. thats so bs.

[5211]

Originally Posted by under construction

that has been said about all diets since time began^^^

this is said by doctors who work with diabetics and people who give advice to obese people every day.

certain diets are good for certain people and certain ones are not good for certain people...

as far as our school of thought is concerned we don't give ketosis diets out to overweight people ...

weight loss (WHICH CAN BE MAINTAINED) is in majority of cases achieved by a slow and gradual decline.. over years and years..(but more often or not, just maintain the bodyweight and not gain is good enough) and like body building.. weight loss is also a marathon.. not an overnight miracle cure and thus IF YOU MUST give a diet you should offer a diet which she can maintain throughout her life (and not one which involves her starving).

although like i said above.. should leave it to professionals

[Zomb131]

Stay positive! Plant that goal in your head and shoot for it.

[Thomas_Rivera]

Originally Posted by 5211

i'm going to apologise in advance because i 'm going to come off as a D|CK but i need to say this

First part is not for femme.. but to the rest of you who started to dish out this ketosis diet... i hate to say it but i friggen told you so.. i dont wanna be an ass but you have to be responsible when you dish this kind of advice out which can affect her medically, physically and mentally..

unless you have a good and i mean REaLLY GOOD grasp on the whole diet thing and have a decent amount of exp and have patients of ur own .. U SHOULD NOT BE GIVING ADVICE...

instead.. give resources.. refer to people.. people such as maybe big red.. people who are more educated and do this as a profession..

she is not just ur every day healthy person case *no offence femme*

do u know her medical condition.?

DID YOU conducted a medical history
done any physicals on her?

without any of these vital information

HOW THE F CAN U TAPER UR DIET TO HER? or even give sound and safe advice?

if the diet works.. great but what it it doesn't

u can
1. cause serious health problems for her

Why? what if her weight gain was a medical condition? and not as simple as it appears on the surface

what if she's hypervolemic . .. ?? do u know what decrease in nutrients such as proteins might do to her?
what if she had underlying kidney problems such as nephrotic syndrome??
what if she's hypo/hyper kalemic?
liver problems
heart problems

any of u have any idea what the contra indications of ur diet might have if she had any of these conditions?

ofcourse i AM taking things to the extreme .. but WHAT IF?

2. affect her self esteem dramatically if these "DIETS" don't work

"she's depressed" "feels up against the wall"
what if ur advice fails and she gets worse? u gonna be there and take care of her or just gonna go on with ur happy life?

femme is a person an actual person ... u absolutely sure ur diet will work? and is perfectly safe?

are you going to take responsibility if u set her up for failure or are u just going to say.. "oh well i tried.. but i donno what to do"

she came here for help and you guys should be more responsible.



now rant over

Femme..

My personal oppinion to you is be careful of the advices out there.. it might be all in good intention but these guys are not professionals and thus the advice given isn't always right for you...


even if their intention is good.. the advice may not be..

all i can say is get a professional to assess you and help you... if u can't afford it or it's not an option

then educate urself .... not by a bunch of forumers .. and not from magazine articles..

but do the research .. find out how ur body works.. why diets are they way they are.

if u take anything form this .. it should be.. BE CAREFUL and educate urself

peace out.. and sorry to all if i came off as a D|cK head.. i get worked up sometimes.. with things like this

I'll answer and comment in order.

1. Yes I asked her
2. Yes I'm sure it will work
3. Yes I'm sure its safe
4. Yes I would've taken responsibilty if she failed.
5. Professionals don't always give out good advice either. And even if they did that would mean information given from non-professionals thats taken exactly from professionals would be of the same value.

[JakeVendetta]

5211, just noticed your response. For the most part I do agree with what your saying (she needs to seek the help of a professional, because there are obvious variables that will be missed, that would better be observed through clinical testing/observation etc.). Although, without knowing any of that, i would say that 80% of overweight/obese Americans suffer from most of the same problems. Still this is not sound enough to "prescribe" the diet to anyone.... which i totally agree with, but that IS NOT what our site is about, our site is about guiding people and showing them options, and letting them do their own research (consulting a physician and/or other professional) to find whether or not our advice is right for them. To be honest none of us should be handing out any advice (training/dieting etc) if it was that simple ("do you know their medical history"), because people should be smart enough, if they are coming on to an internet bodybuilding based site to use discretion while taking what people say into consideration.

This diet if followed correctly, is safe. People think that just because this diet is low Carb that they cant consume anything but meat but they can and should still be consuming plant sources. (seeds/nuts, leaves, and shoots if nothing else) *fiber is not counted toward the total carbs for the day* They should also be getting their fat from multiple sources.

If the person doesnt go back to their previous lifestyle while coming off of it, they can maintain the fat loss. People are weak willed in general, but unless we push them and expect more from them what reason would they have to change?

[5211]

Originally Posted by JakeVendetta

and letting them do their own research (consulting a physician and/or other professional) to find whether or not our advice is right for them.

Just worried, because a lot of people out there don't.

People are weak willed in general, but unless we push them and expect more from them what reason would they have to change?

if find external motivations is like a warm bath. unless someone constantly pours hot water for u.. i'll get cold and u'll get out

internal drive is what she really needs.



anyway i guess i may have over reacted

5. Professionals don't always give out good advice either. And even if they did that would mean information given from non-professionals thats taken exactly from professionals would be of the same value.

yes.. i would be one of the first to agree that pro's don't always give out good advice

but information given by a professional to one person may not be the same information given to another due to circumstances.

otherwise we won't need doctors, just enter ur symptoms into a computer and get ur treatment plan.


anyway.. very nice of you to help :) it's what the world is all about.. just becareful ya

[maverick_76]

I still feel a well balanced diet will do the trick. If your knees hurt then do movements that have little weight bearing on the knee. Also, do go to your doctor just to make sure you do not have a thyroid condition, that might explain for the lack energy. If that is the case then they will be able to prescribe medicine for you. I still say that brown rice, chicken and broccoli are your best friends to shedding unwanted pounds and getting into shape. That and oatmeal. But if you absolutely can't do some exercise then I would suggest eating a balanced diet with drinking lots of water, and only water, for at least two months, consuming 1,500 calories a day. I guarantee you will lose at least 2 lbs a week just by doing that alone.

P.S.-Please make an effort to see a physician, if you do have a thyroid condition they can help and you will need a special diet prescribed by a professional.

[FemmeFatale]

While it's flattering to see you arguing, or rather, debating about me... I don't think its necessary.

I'm at the point, with my health, that I ASKED for advice and therefore am grateful to receive it, the quality thereof is irrelevant. (for the purpose of that statement.)

If a few of you had bothered to read my first post, you'd know that "talk to your doctor" is CRAP advice, considering I don't have a doctor, the physical ability to obtain/hold a job right now, or health insurance of any kind.

Yeah, the low-carby thing didn't really work out. I'm not saying it's a bad diet or bad advice. It just doesn't really work when 75% or more of the food available to you is white, refined carbs. Once I finally remove myself from this living situation, I'm more than willing to give it a shot.

Out of pure panic, I've started... Misbehaving again. I know it's bad for me, but for some reason my entire appetite has completely turned itself off due to utter disgust with myself and I find that I'm back to the point where I'm eating approximately 500-600 calories a day. I also know what this generally results in: after a week or two, something triggers my hunger...a taste, a smell, a craving... and I go nuts and binge myself sick, and then find myself unable to quit eating for weeks on end.

So, in an effort to break this cycle, in an effort to find a solution that works for me in my crappy living situation, I posted here. I genuinely appreciate everybody's concern. I'm still open to any advice and ideas that anyone has.

There is a distinct possibility considering some of my physical symptoms that there -is- something underlying wrong with me. However, it is beyond my reach at this juncture of my life to find out what it is/how to fix it. So, I am ultimately trying to make the best of what I have on my plate right now, (if you'll pardon the pun.)