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Old 12-08-2005, 04:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Stop dissing on powerlifting! It produces great amount of muscle and is an invaluable tool to Bodybuilding. And In case you didn't realize the majority of Bodybuilders have a background in Powerlifting or use it's techniques to produce freaky mass. Ronnie Coleman was a powerlifter in his time and now no one can touch him for size!

The Myths of Powerlifting

All too often I read on message boards or hear in conversations some myths that are widely known and are preached as gospel through out gyms and lifting clubs or organizations around the world. I hope to address and in turn reveal the truth about a few of the most common ones.



Powerlifters Are Fat


I often hear somebody talk about wanting to do powerlifting, but they say they don't want to get fat. The idea that powerlifters are fat or even that the majority of powerlifters are fat is ludicrous. I think this stereotype stems from some old 80s super heavyweights that were on the verge to hitting huge numbers and therefore people were hearing about them and seeing what they looked like.

Nowadays, lifters like Ryan Kennelly, Scot Mendelson, and Sebastian Burns look like bodybuilders in the off season. They are no slobs and are at the top of the game because they have supreme diets and are not lazy. In fact, I can't think of one world class power lifter that is a fat slob. Most all of the biggest lifts made recently are made by relatively lean lifters.

There really is no reason powerlifters should be fat (having a body fat percentage of 18% or more) because optimum nutrition is a big part of the game. Just like bodybuilders, large amounts of protein are needed and clean carbohydrates should be timed perfectly. I don't care who you are or what you do; if your diet is not perfect, you are not anywhere near optimal performance.


Powerlifers Don't Have As Much Muscle As Bodybuilders


Now, I will also address the issue of people saying that training for power lifting won't help you achieve some awesome gains in mass. Just like the 'fat' stereotype, this one is ridiculous. How can a person not grow if they are slinging around heavy weights? Besides, many assistance exercises that most power lifters do are in the higher rep ranges. There is no reason that training for maximum strength output will not lead to gains in lean mass.

Some high-volume trainees will argue that there is not enough volume in most power lifting programs to lead to hypertrophy. If you want high volume, you should check out the Metal Militia style of training. Ten sets of forty five or fifty shrugs is not uncommon, nor is a couple hours of direct lockout (triceps) training. If you want high volume, that is the way to go.


Powerlifters Don't Have Big Arms


As you can guess, this is also not true. This is another stereotypical comment made by jealous gym rats that can't even call themselves bodybuilders, which, by the way, are probably the kind of people that develop the bodybuilders vs. power lifters bull**** in the first place.

Now, there is no way that after loads and loads of tricep work and lots of rows, pull-ups or pulldowns, and even straight bar curls that a person's arms won't grow. Almost all of these lifts are implemented into most power lifting programs so this is also not true.


Powerlifters With The Shortest Arms Will Be The Best At Bench Pressing


Umm...WRONG! Every single power lifter that has attempted a bench in competition of more than 800 pounds has been at least 6 feet tall with proportionate arms. They all never made excuses and that's the kind of person that will succeed.

There are things you can do though if you are genetically crapped upon. You can train for explosiveness to increase your bar speed. If you have a twenty inch bench stroke (the distance the bar moves) and aren't very thick or muscular, then you have a lot more room for error than somebody with a ten to twelve inch stroke. If you move the bar quickly, there is less chance that the bar will stop moving or become hard to press upward. I will explain this in a later article.


Powerlifters Have Huge Rear Ends


Now this may be true if said power lifter has a ton of fat on his ass. But as I've said earlier, this is often not the norm. In fact, I think this myth is just an excuse for people not to squat heavy weights which, I'll admit, can be intimidating to some. If lifting heavy weights is scary to you, and this doesn't change within a couple months' time, then you simply don't have what it takes to be a power lifter.

Now, back to addressing the myth. True, a person's rear end (glutes) will grow larger if they squat heavy. But so will their hamstrings, quads, calves, and hip flexors. Everything will grow in proportion. Like I said in the above paragraph, if there is fat over your backside, especially if there is a lot of muscle, you will have a large rear end. If you are a relatively low body fat percentage, you will just have a dense, strong hind end.


Powerlifters Are Slow


Again, this is another ridiculous statement.

About forty years ago, studies were done to see which Olympic athletes were the most athletic. What they found was rather interesting. The Olympic weightlifters (who compete in the snatch and the clean and jerk) could jump just as high and sprint just as fast as a lot of the track and field athletes of equal size.

Recently, power lifting coaches have been adding explosive lifts to their programs and the results are tremendous. I have personally seen a five-foot-nine high school powerlifter in the 275 pound weight class, with a competition squat of over seven hundred pounds, dunk a basketball, WITH NO RUNNING START.

He was also a good sprinter. There are many other power lifters with tremendous athletic skills. One example would be Andre 'Tilt' Henry of Westside barbell. The guy weighs well over 400 pounds but has a 42+ inch vertical. Amazing.

Many high schools now have power lifting teams that compete with other schools in their area. Most all of the students involved with power lifting are also involved with other sports such as football. The power lifting programs that they follow help them become bigger, faster, and stronger athletes in their respective sports.

The above examples debunk a few common myths about power lifting and power lifters. The information in the article is summed up from my research and my conversations with world class athletes, strength coaches, and the common lifter.



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Old 12-08-2005, 04:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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actualy some really huge bodybuilder once told me that u can never b as strong as a pwerlifter and look like a bodybuilder....but i think that this is not true i mean just look at ronnie and jj.....
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Old 12-08-2005, 05:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Yep Sergio Oliva, Franco, Arnold as well
 
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Old 12-08-2005, 05:07 AM   #4 (permalink)
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You can be good at both, but it's nearly impossible to be GREAT at both. Of course powerlifters that use ****loads of gear (yes, they use it too, sometimes even more than bodybuilders) can get big even without training to get big, and bodybuilders who juice their asses off can get stronger even without training for strength.
 
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You can be good at both, but it's nearly impossible to be GREAT at both. Of course powerlifters that use ****loads of gear (yes, they use it too, sometimes even more than bodybuilders) can get big even without training to get big, and bodybuilders who juice their asses off can get stronger even without training for strength.
Im not argung about the drug use in the sports but what pisses me off is when some idiot makes a comment on boards. Stop training like a powerlifter because it won't produce any mass!

This is the stupidest **** I ever here and it pisses me off!

Guess what there are heaps of powerlifters who sport excellent bodies and mass

here is a pic of some of the greats using powerlifting



 
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Old 12-08-2005, 05:18 AM   #6 (permalink)
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[IMG]http://www.mtech.uoglife.com/pros/Jo...ackson_ezr.jpg[/IMG]
 
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i think that the first pic of jj is photoshop cuz i think that b4 i saw the same exact squat pic but with less plates...but offcourse u cant deny that hes a strong mofo...... ...............
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Yes you do get bigger lifting heavy weight, no doubt. But you will not grow to bodybuilding shape and proportions lifting constantly in a program designed to increase your 1 rep max. Size in powerlifting is not as important as it is in bodybuilding. There are some "small" power lifters and Olympic lifters that can lift nearly 3 times thier own bodyweight, thus the many weight divisions, they even use Clenbuterol to drop bodyweight but retain strength which is the most common use for the drug particularly when stacked with Injectable L-Carnitine.

There is no doubt though Power Lifting can be a great foundation for a BodyBuilder though, Australian Female BB Bev Francis was a great power lifter. And of course JJ.
 
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this is real pic of JOJ .. he deadlifted 804 pounds back in may 2004
 
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sorry .. i didn't see the first pic .. it's photoshopped as you said fahad
 
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anyone here done it before?
ive tried it once i found a sample program as i had no idea how to structure a powerlifting programa nd this gave me some idea into it.
though it was a monday wed fri workouts
basically lighter for monday medium 4 wed and heavier/heaviest poundages on friday
only consisting of the three lifts it was ok though you coudl really feel it going from squats into deads and working lower back 3 times a week i didnt really agree with so i backed it off.only stuck to it for a month tho
are there any other ways to do this form of training preferably better ways lol?
 
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Used to do it for judo trainning. One of the guys is a powerlifter strongest dude I have ever seen!and that includes the vidz on the board. He dominated guys who had actually competed at the olympics with his strength. Anyway's getting back to it here is a web site that explains how to structure a trainning split.

http://www.fitnessforoneandall.com/p...werlifting.htm
 
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the first pick of jj is the real deal check it out on muscletech's website
 
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wow man thanks alot aussie brother!!
 
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Yes you do get bigger lifting heavy weight, no doubt. But you will not grow to bodybuilding shape and proportions lifting constantly in a program designed to increase your 1 rep max. Size in powerlifting is not as important as it is in bodybuilding. There are some "small" power lifters and Olympic lifters that can lift nearly 3 times thier own bodyweight, thus the many weight divisions, they even use Clenbuterol to drop bodyweight but retain strength which is the most common use for the drug particularly when stacked with Injectable L-Carnitine.

There is no doubt though Power Lifting can be a great foundation for a BodyBuilder though, Australian Female BB Bev Francis was a great power lifter. And of course JJ.
l-carnitine is a drug? isnt it a supplement that burns fat for energy or wut?????
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No L-Carnitine is not a drug bro. Just like L- Glutamine and L- Arginine etc etc.

I never said it was a drug, I said it can be stacked with Clenbuterol (which is a drug) It burns the fat quicker after the L- Carnitine transports the fat for burning....lol to make it sound simple.

It is a Branched Chain Amino Acid BCAA. L-carnitine is an indespensible tool in the fat loss process. L-carnitine is responsible for the transport of fatty acids to the mitochondria, where they are burned for energy, as such enabling the athlete to lose bodyfat. The amount of body fat the athlete loses is directly related to the amount of fatty acids transported to the mitochondria. As such, an athlete will only burn as much bodyfat as is being transported by the L-carnitine, irrespective of the amount of fat loss aids that person might be taking.

Here is a course given to me by an IFBB Pro. My gift to you, feel free to use for next contest prep.

80mcg/day clen for first week
160mcg/day clen second week
stay on that there on
third week add T3 at 20mcg/day
increase the T3 at 20mcg/day every week until you reach 100mcg/day

L-carntine at 400mg/day every day.

Make sure you use some anabolics so you don't lose any muscle from the T3.

When you need to come off, shut off the clen striaght away. T3 reduce it by 20mcg every 3 days until off. No need to come off the l-carnt.

I also recommend these guys www.synthetek.com

good luck.
 
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