[Banshee20]

Not sure if anyone really cares, but I thought this was an interesting article about the present state of Women's bodybuilding. Go ahead and fire away with comments. :1boxing:

http://www.billdobbins.com/PUBLIC/pa...a05-finals.htm

[Pain]

good read.. but i really dont see woman bodybuilding ever becoming a main attraction.. i dont give it much longer to live..

[skywalker]

Originally Posted by Banshee20

Those chicks are H-O-T!!!

But they're not bodybuilders, they're figure "athletes".

IMO, female bodybuilding/Ms. Olympia should adopt the standards of Figure, a much more profitable division of the IFBB. This way Figure can "become" female bodybuilding. With much more realistic criterias, the women won't have to pump themselves full of sh*t to make scraps! Leave that to us Men, we're smart that way.

[Uriel]

Hahaha yeah figure for the ladies, bodybuilding for the men. After all, it doesn't matter how much shit she throws in, a woman will never look like Ronnie does on that pic. Not even half. At most she'll look like a natural pro male.

[Banshee20]

Originally Posted by skywalker

Those chicks are H-O-T!!!

But they're not bodybuilders, they're figure "athletes".

IMO, female bodybuilding/Ms. Olympia should adopt the standards of Figure, a much more profitable division of the IFBB. This way Figure can "become" female bodybuilding. With much more realistic criterias, the women won't have to pump themselves full of sh*t to make scraps! Leave that to us Men, we're smart that way.

I know that those are figure chicks(not bb). The reason I picked that picture was to get people to look at the link. If I had picked the picture of Kim Chizevsky/Lenda Murray...fewer people would have looked, guaranteed. Guess I just proved your point that women's bb isnt marketable and figure is. lol

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that women's bb isnt marketable/profitable. However, from a woman's point of view. It gets old having men dictate what women should say/do/act like/dress like/look like etc. I have played sports for the majority of my life. I played soccer in college and that was "ok" because in the US, soccer is popular a woman's sport ever since Brandi Chastain took off her shirt at the 1999 World Cup. Now, "hot chicks play volleyball and soccer." I have also played on a pro tackle football team and despite the fact that most of the women on my team are very feminine in looks and action...we still hear all the time that "women shouldnt play football". People also think that everyone on our team must be a lesbian, which is also untrue.

I think the things I mentioned above are similar to what Female BBs deal with. They devote just as much time/energy/love to their sport as the men but get beat up for it, or loved for it depending on what men think is "ok". Standards are constantly changing and they are being told what they should and shouldnt do. Regardless, money talks and thats all that matters, I wouldnt doubt that the sport will disappear. I personally dont have any desire to look like that so it doesnt matter to me, but I think it is an interesting point of discussion. God, I sound like such a freaking hippie feminist. lol

In addition, You spoke of realistic criterias, but is it really "realistic" for the male BBs to look the way they do?

[skywalker]

Originally Posted by Banshee20

I know that those are figure chicks(not bb). The reason I picked that picture was to get people to look at the link. If I had picked the picture of Kim Chizevsky/Lenda Murray...fewer people would have looked, guaranteed. Guess I just proved your point that women's bb isnt marketable and figure is. lol

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that women's bb isnt marketable/profitable. However, from a woman's point of view. It gets old having men dictate what women should say/do/act like/dress like/look like etc. I have played sports for the majority of my life. I played soccer in college and that was "ok" because in the US, soccer is popular a woman's sport ever since Brandi Chastain took off her shirt at the 1999 World Cup. Now, "hot chicks play volleyball and soccer." I have also played on a pro tackle football team and despite the fact that most of the women on my team are very feminine in looks and action...we still hear all the time that "women shouldnt play football". People also think that everyone on our team must be a lesbian, which is also untrue.

I think the things I mentioned above are similar to what Female BBs deal with. They devote just as much time/energy/love to their sport as the men but get beat up for it, or loved for it depending on what men think is "ok". Standards are constantly changing and they are being told what they should and shouldnt do. Regardless, money talks and thats all that matters, I wouldnt doubt that the sport will disappear. I personally dont have any desire to look like that so it doesnt matter to me, but I think it is an interesting point of discussion. God, I sound like such a freaking hippie feminist. lol

In addition, You spoke of realistic criterias, but is it really "realistic" for the male BBs to look the way they do?

The use of the word sh*t in the following post is in no way an indication of agression. It's a cultural thing yo.

Weider isn't exactly a philantropist. Pro Bodybuilding is a business. There will always be a place for amateur female bodybuilding, but when it comes to Da Cheddar, female bodybuilders will have to look elsewhere. Nobody has to/should have to pay these women just because they work hard. I know a homeless dude people call The Can Man who basically cashes-in empty cans for a living, does he get rewarded for the hard work he puts out day-in day-out by major Soft Drink companies. No. Why? I'll tell you why: nobody gives a sh*t. If female pro-bodybuilding is to see another day, people are going to have to start giving a sh*t. People giving a sh*t = Demand = Supply = Business $$$.

And no, it is not realistic for Ronnie Coleman to be the huge mofo he is. If I had it my way, all pro bodybuilding competitions would be strictly tested, thus eliminating all freaks from the industry. But that won't happen anytime soon. Why? Business $$$.

[Banshee20]

Originally Posted by skywalker

The use of the word sh*t in the following post is in no way an indication of agression. It's a cultural thing yo.

Weider isn't exactly a philantropist. Pro Bodybuilding is a business. There will always be a place for amateur female bodybuilding, but when it comes to Da Cheddar, female bodybuilders will have to look elsewhere. Nobody has to/should have to pay these women just because they work hard. I know a homeless dude people call The Can Man who basically cashes-in empty cans for a living, does he get rewarded for the hard work he puts out day-in day-out by major Soft Drink companies. No. Why? I'll tell you why: nobody gives a sh*t. If female pro-bodybuilding is to see another day, people are going to have to start giving a sh*t. People giving a sh*t = Demand = Supply = Business $$$.

And no, it is not realistic for Ronnie Coleman to be the huge mofo he is. If I had it my way, all pro bodybuilding competitions would be strictly tested, thus eliminating all freaks from the industry. But that won't happen anytime soon. Why? Business $$$.

Point taken Skywalker. I understand all of these things,(thats why I said Money talks). And for the same reasons, Male BBs dont make as much money as mainstream sport athletes(NFL, NBA)......bottom line is,no one gives a sh*t about BB. But BBs still work as hard as most NFL, and NBA players and deserve more money. That's why its curious to me that Male BBs and male BB enthusiasts dont care more about the women's version of the sport.

The conversation goes round and round......lol.

[Tech]

on a serious note, what the hell is wrong with that chicks eyes? (on far right)

[fish]

I love women's bodybuilding and I guess I am in the minority that think they look great.

I'm old school originally from the dungeons is Pittsburgh in the 70'a and 80's (Benny Podda, David Hawk). I will tell you that I notice regional shows are even hurting, for the men, and I do not believe that there are even as many male hardcore bodybuilders in any of the gyms across the counrty anymore. I'm not so sure the Hardcore side of BBing is so popular anymore. Maybe I'm wrong here. Does anyone agree that if it is hard enough to now sell tickets for men's shows that its no wonder woman's bbding is in trouble?

[fish]

on a serious note, what the hell is wrong with that chicks eyes? (on far right)

Did someone try to photoshop her eye? That woman, name escapes, me is normal in person.

[vdawg]

thats amber little john

[Q80_MuscleHed]

IMO .. they should female BB .. and just make the figures .. who would able to see women with men phesiques

[eli80cal]

Interesting posts. A while back on here, someone posted this the question of questions!!!
The funny thing is that everybodies answers boiled down to the same thing. "I dont do this for other people, I do it for myself." I can understand that as a sport, female BB does not have the fanbase to continue in its current form. I draw a distinction between the sport and the athletes though. They work just as hard, go to the same extremes, and do it because they want to be the biggest and freakiest that they can be, just like the men. Markus Ruhl is not what man was intended to look like. Lenda Murray is not what woman were intended to look like. Who gives a fuck? How insecure are people that they are threatened by what someone else chooses to do? Hardcore bodybuilding is becoming more and more extreme. As fitness has become more popular, instead of people rising to the challenge, the fitness industry lowered the bar so more people could hope to reach it, and spend more money trying. It's ridiculous. Think about the IOC telling sprinters that they need to slow down, so more people will think they can attain that level of perfection, and have a bigger fanbase. Female BB is to the sport of BB what BB is to the entire sports industry: the ugly stepchild the mainstream wants to keep locked in the basement. Its the exact same debate raging in mens BB right now, about size vs. asthetics. What would people think if men were expected to reduce muscularity by 20% to be more appealing to the mainstream? If people want mainstream bodies, go to natural contests. If not, let them get freakier.