how big is possible??

pottsy09 · 10-29-2009, 03:04 PM

hey guys i have been thinking about this for the past 2 days lol,

is there any limit 2 how big a human being can become muscle wise even with the use of steroids??

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-29-2009, 03:15 PM

Yes, eventually it has to stop somewhere or guys like Serge Nubret who have been lifting for over 40 years would be the size of Texas.

pottsy09 · 10-29-2009, 03:19 PM

yes i no that lol, but i mean, why can people become 90stone fat assess but there is a limit of muscle growth?

**Thomas_Rivera** · 10-29-2009, 03:23 PM

Because the body isn't meant to hold on to a lot of muscle. Fat on the other hand it is meant to hold onto.

GENOMYX · 10-29-2009, 04:02 PM

Right your body would become overstressed as it does when you become over weight. Your heart can only support so much. Not to mention genetically your frame can only support so much weight.

miggitymags · 10-29-2009, 05:29 PM

Not sure what the limit is, but it will continually become more and more by one thing: Evolution.

Evolution of man and Evolution of modern day 'medicine'.

The evolution of man is already apparent from generation to generation. Most men are bigger than their fathers. Think about it and when you are sitting around with a bunch of your buddies, ask them if they are taller than their dads. I bet a majority of them are.. With advancements in nutrition and modern day medicine, we are becoming bigger --- or evolving.

this is Darwin. out.

GENOMYX · 10-29-2009, 05:46 PM

I agree however Evolution takes longer than one genration to another. Genetic Evolution can take up to hundreds of years. Homosapiens are a result of somewhere close to 3.5 million years of evolution.

In regards to modern technology and medicine that would have a more immediate impact on lifespan and the way we live our lives. It would take direct hormone manipulation to overcome current genetic limitation for example the use of Steroids. Even then your body will still limit your progress. You would have to remove the limitation entirley for example blocking Myostatin would be a start.

tknight4305 · 10-30-2009, 12:30 AM

According to this article we used to be much stronger then we are now...paragraph 7

Human Evolution: Are Humans Still Evolving? - News - Muzi.com

tps154 · 10-30-2009, 01:51 AM

^ i can see both sides of the story. on one hand, technology allows us to improve ourselves and our lives. on the other hand, technology takes away the "survival of the fittest" factor. i think one would have to look at each individual rather than generalize for the entire population

Determined 08 · 10-30-2009, 02:03 AM

Sorry guys but Evolution=stupid. Science says something cannot come from nothing there by disproving its own theory. But lets not get into religious debates or anything just sayin. haha

tps154 · 10-30-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Determined 08

Sorry guys but Evolution=stupid. Science says something cannot come from nothing there by disproving its own theory. But lets not get into religious debates or anything just sayin. haha

honestly i dont believe in macroevolution, i do however believe in microevolution... were talking about micro in this situation, not a new species arising, rather a species (humans) improving through evolution. its a touchy and complicated debate, but i felt like ive learned enough to make an educated guess on this. microevolution can actually be proven, however, there is no hard evidence for macroevolution

miggitymags · 10-30-2009, 10:55 AM

WOW!

i throw out the word 'evolution' and people come out of the woodwork posting articles, talking theories, discussing 'homosapien evolution'... lol. guess i hit nerve with a few people who take the word 'evolution' very literal and serious...

my bad.

GENOMYX · 10-30-2009, 11:25 AM

Nah I dont think it was negative. Just sparked a conversation piece that is very debatable. Good topic I think I just hope the orginal thread poster doesnt get upset that the thread was hijacked a bit.

monkeybiker · 10-30-2009, 12:46 PM

I seem to remember seeing somewere that there was a limit to muscle size like the muscle can not be taller then it is long.
Don't know if it is true but seems to make sence.

miggitymags · 10-30-2009, 01:16 PM

"No amount of muscle is impossible."

- MuscleTech

**Thomas_Rivera** · 10-30-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Determined 08

Sorry guys but Evolution=stupid. Science says something cannot come from nothing there by disproving its own theory. But lets not get into religious debates or anything just sayin. haha

Something can't come from nothing, how does this disprove the theory of evolution?

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Originally Posted by tps154

honestly i dont believe in macroevolution, i do however believe in microevolution... were talking about micro in this situation, not a new species arising, rather a species (humans) improving through evolution. its a touchy and complicated debate, but i felt like ive learned enough to make an educated guess on this. microevolution can actually be proven, however, there is no hard evidence for macroevolution

Why do you say theres no proof in macroevolution?

Even in terms of the bodybuilding world. We'll look at a short term mutation that over time is evolution. The mutated myostatin gene that allows for accelerated muscle growth. If many individuals with this mutation happened to breed together the chances for expressing that mutation would raise, over X amount of generations if this mutation became dominant its an example of the physical evolution of man.

GENOMYX · 10-30-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by miggitymags

"No amount of muscle is impossible."

- MuscleTech

LMAO

Determined 08 · 10-30-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

Something can't come from nothing, how does this disprove the theory of evolution?.

Excuse me I think I meant The Big Bang Theory. Haha

EDIT: Particles floating in the universe and BAM everything we have today. Makes sense?

**Thomas_Rivera** · 10-30-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Determined 08

Excuse me I think I meant The Big Bang Theory. Haha

But the big bang theory has a source point, a singularity.

GENOMYX · 10-30-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Determined 08

Excuse me I think I meant The Big Bang Theory. Haha

EDIT: Particles floating in the universe and BAM everything we have today. Makes sense?

Well you should probably say the big bang theory if thats what your refering to.

**Thomas_Rivera** · 10-30-2009, 02:02 PM

Thats not the big bang theory actually. It's more along the lines that everything started in a singularity, much like the theorized cores of black holes where matter and gravity are virtually infinite. Something of that stature breaks down, shifts, it expands rapidly letting all its energy out. You have the release of the basic matter of the universe. Then through heat, gravitation and electric sources the basic elements of the universe change.

You have things such as abiogenisis occur on planets that create the building blocks of life, the formation of stars, etc.

pottsy09 · 10-30-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GENOMYX

Nah I dont think it was negative. Just sparked a conversation piece that is very debatable. Good topic I think I just hope the orginal thread poster doesnt get upset that the thread was hijacked a bit.

nah i dont mind lol,

im actually interested in reading the debate that has unfolded lol.

pottsy09 · 10-30-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

But the big bang theory has a source point, a singularity.

I thought that the singularity which is always used when talking about anything to do with space is just scientific ignorance for the unknown?

**HawaiianPride.** · 10-30-2009, 03:35 PM

Lol wow this thread took a sharp turn. I'm gonna go watch the science channel now.

pottsy09 · 10-30-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Lol wow this thread took a sharp turn. I'm gonna go watch the science channel now.

ano mate a sharp turn lol,

but its still interesting all the same.

pottsy09 · 10-30-2009, 03:40 PM

also guys is it true that flex wheeler or some bodybuilder like that can no longer body build as he has a myostatin deficiency or something and they felt as though this gave him an unfiar disadvantage?

**EastCoast Highlander** · 10-30-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas_Rivera

But the big bang theory has a source point, a singularity.

yeah but what caused it... last i checked, for a gun to go off...someone has to pull the trigger

pottsy09 · 10-30-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoast Highlander

yeah but what caused it... last i checked, for a gun to go off...someone has to pull the trigger

yeh m8 lak what i said earlier lol,

i thought that the singularity which is always used when talking about anything to do with space is just scientific ignorance for the unknown?

**Thomas_Rivera** · 10-30-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by EastCoast Highlander

yeah but what caused it... last i checked, for a gun to go off...someone has to pull the trigger

Natural course of things? It was most likely unstable, or maybe it followed the particular path that stars do and end with an explosion because of the processes that occur.

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Originally Posted by pottsy09

yeh m8 lak what i said earlier lol,

i thought that the singularity which is always used when talking about anything to do with space is just scientific ignorance for the unknown?

No, singularities describe a point in space where the rules of physics start to break down and things run into the realm of "infinite".

zod · 10-31-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by miggitymags

"No amount of muscle is impossible."

- MuscleTech

Haha. Good quote.