Going Backwards, Need Help.

claystone · 05-19-2009, 05:34 PM

It seems i'm progressing the wrong way need expert help?

I've been working out for about 6 to 7 weeks now, trying to bulk up to 200lbs. I think at week 4, i was at 183. I'm now down to 178lbs??? I don't know what i'm doing wrong. I'm eating between 3,500 to 4,000 cals a day. I work out 4 times a week, 2day on 1day off, 2days on, 2days off. My body is filling out. I know this because my loose t-shirts are tight on me, and my pants. Just my pants waist are big.

Need advise.

Thanks

**mindstar** · 05-19-2009, 08:03 PM

my first advice is to go by the mirror rather than an arbitrary number.

That said, what is your water intake like? It could also be that you're leaning out?

Bottom line, if you want the scale to move, you have to shovel in the food. But Like I said before, you're better off going by the mirror.

claystone · 05-19-2009, 09:56 PM

I take in 1 gallon of water a day. But you might be right, I might be leaning out more. When i look in the mirror my body is bigger. I just feel like i'm not putting on pounds. If i was cutting then i would be please, but since i'm bulking, i feel like i'm not going in the right direction to meet my goal.

My goal was to reach 200lbs in 4 to 5 month, but it looks like it going to take more time. I thought maybe i'm doing something wrong.

**mikeh40+** · 05-19-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by claystone

I take in 1 gallon of water a day. But you might be right, I might be leaning out more. When i look in the mirror my body is bigger. I just feel like i'm not putting on pounds. If i was cutting then i would be please, but since i'm bulking, i feel like i'm not going in the right direction to meet my goal.

My goal was to reach 200lbs in 4 to 5 month, but it looks like it going to take more time. I thought maybe i'm doing something wrong.

you may have a faster metabolism and may need to increase you calories, just a thought

miggitymags · 05-20-2009, 11:08 PM

i actually wouldn't go by the mirror.. i struggle comparing myself in the mirror b/c you see yourself every day - and its difficult to notice slight improvements day-to-day.

i would suggest pictures.. take a picture now, and then say in 6 months or so (or whatever you feel adequate - just not too frequently), and make your comparisons there.. if you like what you see, continue as you were.. but if you think you are moving in the wrong direction, step back and reassess your diet, split, etc..

and i think measurements are also a good indicator - and that includes the scale.. but don't make the scale your holy grail b/c sometimes people get so hung up on the weight # they go about their bulk in a dirty fashion and don't put on quality mass.. i also think a good indicator is if you are progressing in weight in your training..

a combination of pictures, the scale, measurements, and strength would give you a complete package of whether or not you are heading in the direction of your goals.

youngbodybuilder1020 · 05-21-2009, 12:40 AM

maby you need to take some time of and give ir body some rest

**mindstar** · 05-21-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by miggitymags

i actually wouldn't go by the mirror.. i struggle comparing myself in the mirror b/c you see yourself every day - and its difficult to notice slight improvements day-to-day.

i would suggest pictures.. take a picture now, and then say in 6 months or so (or whatever you feel adequate - just not too frequently), and make your comparisons there.. if you like what you see, continue as you were.. but if you think you are moving in the wrong direction, step back and reassess your diet, split, etc..

and i think measurements are also a good indicator - and that includes the scale.. but don't make the scale your holy grail b/c sometimes people get so hung up on the weight # they go about their bulk in a dirty fashion and don't put on quality mass.. i also think a good indicator is if you are progressing in weight in your training..

a combination of pictures, the scale, measurements, and strength would give you a complete package of whether or not you are heading in the direction of your goals.

great advice here. I do pics every couple of months too.

**Kaboom** · 05-21-2009, 08:55 AM

What kind of workout are you doing.You going with heavier weights and lower reps.Take longer rest periods 1 1/2- 2 mins between each set.
Up your calories by 500 for a couple weeks to see if that helps.
Bottom line if you want to gain weight you need to look at scale to see if you are doing it.
Granted you might want to have your bodyfat checked every 2-3 weeks to make sure you arent gaining too much fat.

claystone · 05-21-2009, 01:28 PM

Here is my Diet:

9:00AM: Fish oil / Multi. V. / Creatine 5g / Asteriod Prime / Whey Protein 30g

9:30AM: Oatmeal w/bannas with milk.

12:30PM: 1/4 lb. of Turkey/Mozzarella Cheese/mushrooms/ on toasted Bagel / Asteriod Prime

1:30PM: 1 Bag of Almonds. (14grams of Fat)

3:30PM: 1/4 lb. of Turkey/Mozzarella Cheese/Mushrooms/ on toasted Bagel

4:00PM: (1) Large Banana

4:30: Pre-Work: Out Creatine 5g / Asteriod Powerfull

5:00PM: Workout

6:00PM: Whey Protien 30g w/banna / Multi V. / Creatine 5g

8:00PM (3) Lean Meatballs 4oz each / 2cups of white rice. / Asteriod Prime

9:30PM (1) Large Banana

11:00PM: Fish Oil / Asteriod Powerfull

My 8:00 dinner i mix up. I also have steak with rice and brocoli. Or I'll have Filet of Sole (Large Fish) with brocoli.

Day 1: Chest / Arms
Day 2: Back / Triceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Shoulders
Day 5: Legs / Abs
Day 6: Rest
Day 7: Rest

I do 4 set for each muscle workout with 8-10 reps. Alway the last set i do to failure.

**mikeh40+** · 05-21-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by claystone

Here is my Diet:

9:00AM: Fish oil / Multi. V. / Creatine 5g / Asteriod Prime / Whey Protein 30g

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30 grams protein

9:30AM: Oatmeal w/bannas with milk.

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guessing on 1 cup of oatmeal?? 50 grams carbs/10 grams protein
banana= 28 g carbs

12:30PM: 1/4 lb. of Turkey/Mozzarella Cheese/mushrooms/ on toasted Bagel / Asteriod Prime

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1/4 pound turkey= 32 grams protein
bagel= 53 carbs/ 10 protein
fats=15

1:30PM: 1 Bag of Almonds.

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(14grams of Fat)

3:30PM: 1/4 lb. of Turkey/Mozzarella Cheese/Mushrooms/ on toasted Bagel

Quote:

1/4 pound turkey= 32 grams protein
bagel= 53 carbs/ 10 protein
fats=15

4:00PM: (1) Large Banana

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28 g carbs

4:30: Pre-Work: Out Creatine 5g / Asteriod Powerfull

5:00PM: Workout

6:00PM: Whey Protien 30g w/banna / Multi V. / Creatine 5g

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shake =30 protein
banana=28 carbs

8:00PM (3) Lean Meatballs 4oz each / 2cups of white rice. / Asteriod Prime

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meatballs 4oz x 3= 117 g protein
2 cups of rice= 88 carbs/ 8 protein
fat=15g

9:30PM (1) Large Banana

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28 carbs

11:00PM: Fish Oil / Asteriod Powerfull

My 8:00 dinner i mix up. I also have steak with rice and brocoli. Or I'll have Filet of Sole (Large Fish) with brocoli.

Day 1: Chest / Arms
Day 2: Back / Triceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Shoulders
Day 5: Legs / Abs
Day 6: Rest
Day 7: Rest

I do 4 set for each muscle workout with 8-10 reps. Alway the last set i do to failure.

so i took all your meals you provided and inserted the carbs and protein, using fitday.com and its food calculator and the ounces you said your eating in various foods here is your total macro`s from protein and carbs, just a rough estimate but should be fairly close, had to guess on the fat but guessing its about 10-15 grams per meal, give or take,, lets use the 15 gram for a higher estimate,,

protein= 285 grams x 4 = 1,140 calories
carbs= 356 grams x 4 = 1,424 calories
fats=60 grams x 9 calories = 540 calories

total daily calories = 3,104
so is this number pretty close to what your figuring that your getting in each day?

**mindstar** · 05-21-2009, 05:06 PM

nice work mike!

claystone · 05-21-2009, 06:30 PM

Thanks Mike.

My nutrition had my Turkey bagel sandwich at:

Carbs: 84.7
Protein: 65.5
Fats: 26.53

I guess they got it wrong. I'm short 500 to 1,000 cals. I'll up my cal intake by 500+.

Thanks for the help guys.

claystone · 05-22-2009, 12:23 AM

Here are some photos of me. Not good shots.

claystone · 05-22-2009, 12:25 AM

need to have my wife take photos of me..lol.

**mikeh40+** · 05-22-2009, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mindstar

nice work mike!

thanks buddie!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by claystone

Thanks Mike.

My nutrition had my Turkey bagel sandwich at:

Carbs: 84.7
Protein: 65.5
Fats: 26.53

I guess they got it wrong. I'm short 500 to 1,000 cals. I'll up my cal intake by 500+.

Thanks for the help guys.

your welcome for the help, should help increasing the calories like kaboom suggested at 500 and work up from that,

you look very lean in your pics, for sure have your wife snap some pics , but damn bro, your stomach is lean as hell, nice work!!

**Kaboom** · 05-22-2009, 07:11 AM

Yeah you lookin lean bro but heres a suggestion next time blow out while sucking in your stonach your abs will show much better

claystone · 05-22-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaboom

Yeah you lookin lean bro but heres a suggestion next time blow out while sucking in your stonach your abs will show much better

lol, thanks. Actually i wasn't sucking in my stomach. That is how it is.

I'll try to get better picture next time from my wife. I'll wait another 4 weeks. Hopefully, by adding another 500 cal to my diet, i'll show more improvements.