[n88tr]

So I've come upon a few questions that are the kind that you try to answer and you look back at the question to find more information for the answer and then you don't know what to do so you look at the question.... over and over like that.

Today's lecture was: "Body Dissatisfaction The Male Disorder." Not to be undersold but it is done so a lot b/c blah blah it's a "female disorder" and blah blah it's okay for guys to overeat, it's something guys brag about blah blah vomiting, bulimic behavior traits, constant looking in mirrors and reflections, wearing thick or baggy clothing to camouflage body image, etc etc. Another in the long series of lectures in this class [not required for my Health Promotion minor but i thought it'd be fun to take so I'm taking it] where I don't learn anything.

Things people "abuse" like Creatine, GHB, HGH [she says GHB and HGH are the same thing], gurana, steroids, cortisol, etc.

I thought GHB was that date rape drug...

Athletes at risk:

* Wrestlers [cutting weight a lot]
* Rowing [need to be light for boat but still muscular]
* Distance running [need to be lean]
* Weight Lifting [bulk and cut and contest-prep activities]
-- she didn't mention BBers but I assume she thought they'd fall under Weight Lifting.

Every now and then she says something that makes me question her credibility. I hate when these things happen...

Not word for word but close to this:

Statement: "Abusing creatine will lead to liver, kidney and lower intestine tract failure."

Prevention: Don't load like a dumbass with like 40 grams and keep that water high, 1 gallon minimum. And does it really affect the intestines? I never heard that before. But then again if you're doing a lot of grams things are being used in a manner not intended so you might have greater side effects, I don't know.

Statement: "The use of steroids, Testosterone, will make you gain muscle. Even if you work out a little bit you will gain muscle. If I were to take some, I would get big. But it's illegal and a very dangerous... pause...very dangerous drug. You will get big but your testicles will shrink, your hair will fall out, your skin will look like crap and you'll grow hair on your back and other places. And all sort of ...pause... other things can happen, you'll grow this, you'll grow that and it's all bad. And illegal."

Prevention: Lot's of points here....

1. She ALWAYS says Testosterone when she says steroids. And I was under the impression you took Test in addition to your gear so when your body shut down it's own function of Test you could keep it functioning with synthetic Test. Test in itself shouldn't be the ONLY thing you take 'when you go on gear' I thought. I could be wrong but this is where you can jump in.

2. I don't think Test is illegal. Might be hard to get but I don't think illegal.

3. Some ball shrinkage will happen sure, but if your dose is good and PCT is good, they'll come back.

4. Hair falling out sounds like improper use of gear and/or PCT but crazy nutrition tactics come to my mind first. Again, do it right. Of course bad sh.it will happen if you do it wrong, of course it will but she makes it sound like those things HAVE TO HAPPEN.

5. I've read about people getting ache on the back and maybe a little more hairgrowth but you pop the pimples and you shave the hair. No big deal I don't think. Or you use some ache cream and leave the hair alone. She made it sound like you turn into sasquatch, lol.

6. That last thing she mentioned and trailed off, "And other things" like something slipped her mind or she ran out of bad things she could think she could say. She did leave us off with the final bad thing: DNA change. Which she says leads to cancer in the user of gear, and "has been linked" her exact words, no proof on hand though for her to give to us to support her claim, to the user and to the user's children, should he ever produce them. So does that mean if I use gear and then go to the sperm bank and jack off for $20, does that mean I'm spreading cancer? I should be able to get sued for that.

The main point to all this was that most of the behaviors associated with OC [obsessive-compulsive] were things good BBers would adapt. Like:

Statement: Some day of the weekend, you prepare your weeks worth of food.

My reaction: Well you need food for 5 days and it needs to be high-protein with carbs and little fat so do it and the weekend you'll have some spare time so get it done.

Statement: Her little story, she took some of her "more obsessive students" ie the SMART ONES to a nutrition conference in Indianapolis, like they pay a part for the trip and it's sort of a senior project [sounds like fun to me]. So she took a few guys with her and before the trip one of them kept asking if there was a gym around there because it was a week trip and he needed to workout. She made it sound like he was pestering her.

Next was his persistence that he needed to bring his cooler of chicken breasts with him on the drive. Again our instructor made it sound like he was an ass for such a request.

My reaction: Ok well as a BBer, in a cut or bulk or contest-prep he would need to workout. He might take a few days off but a week? I don't think so. He lives his life and he has to adapt his life as best he cant with available resources ie the gym, to accommodate his lifestyle of BBing.

Second, he needs to eat! Where do you expect him to eat, McDonalds? Fu.ck no. He's being prepared and ready for his meals and for his goals as a BBer, applaud him for that. Our instructor is fit but not a BBer obviously but she should understand his need for proper nutrition and just because it's a cooler doesn't mean anything. It's a lot of food for a week, so he needs a cooler, okay? 1+1 = 2.

So the second main point is that I am defending the actions of someone as a BBer [I don't look the part at all but I just need to put in more work and time]. I can understand where he's coming from but beyond him and her story about him, I see a lot of the "risk signs" from the lecture as being things that a successful and dedicated BBer does. As long as you don't let it really mess with your life. Yeah you can't do family functions with food and if you really have to, bring your own food. If they want to bit.ch and whine, go eat outside or in the living room while they're somewhere else. Your life is DIFFERENT than theirs, some conflicts will occur. Duh.

But I think it's strange [the repeating question from the start of this thread] that the signs of a successful bodybuilder are signs that he [or she!] has an image issue and is severely mentally-incapable of making decisions for his or her health.

There were a lot of common sense things in the powerpoint handout/lecture she gave us. She handed out the print outs and then went over it with us, just in-case we forgot to read for our 110-200 class. ie,

* "There is no pill or powder that can make us gain or loss significant amounts of weight in a short period of time."

* "Muscularity does not equal Masculinity." Obviously. But it helps, obviously. But then again Masculinity is a very broad term, a lot of things could or could not enhance that quality.

* "Not every man can have a 6-pack abs." That I didn't know. I just thought it was genetic like other body parts, either you have it or you don't. But beyond that, if you didn't have em I thought you could work your ass off to get them, she says no.

So an interesting lecture and I wanted the Dungeon [admittedly a biased group but hey who else do I have to talk to?] the weigh in. I'll give you some time to read it all, lol.

[mindstar]

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Originally Posted by n88tr

she says GHB and HGH are the same thing
I thought GHB was that date rape drug...

you're right, ghb an gh are not the same thing. I hope she's not tenured.


Statement: "Abusing creatine will lead to liver, kidney and lower intestine tract failure."

Prevention: Don't load like a dumbass with like 40 grams and keep that water high, 1 gallon minimum. And does it really affect the intestines? I never heard that before. But then again if you're doing a lot of grams things are being used in a manner not intended so you might have greater side effects, I don't know.

excessive creatine can lead to gastrointestinal distress, but there is no evidence so far that I've seen that suggests it's anything worse that the ****s. Also, liver and kidney damage is unproven.

Statement: "The use of steroids, Testosterone, will make you gain muscle. Even if you work out a little bit you will gain muscle. If I were to take some, I would get big. But it's illegal and a very dangerous... pause...very dangerous drug. You will get big but your testicles will shrink, your hair will fall out, your skin will look like crap and you'll grow hair on your back and other places. And all sort of ...pause... other things can happen, you'll grow this, you'll grow that and it's all bad. And illegal."

Prevention: Lot's of points here....

1. She ALWAYS says Testosterone when she says steroids. And I was under the impression you took Test in addition to your gear so when your body shut down it's own function of Test you could keep it functioning with synthetic Test. Test in itself shouldn't be the ONLY thing you take 'when you go on gear' I thought. I could be wrong but this is where you can jump in.

no, testosterone is the sex hormone which is primarily responsible for muscle growth in the body. You take test to grow. You take other stuff, which are chemically related to test in order to gain alternate desired effects and synergy with the test. For your first cycle, test should be the only thing you take.

2. I don't think Test is illegal. Might be hard to get but I don't think illegal. now americans will have to correct me if I'm wrong, but steroids are a class 5 drug, which makes them illegal. Unless, of course, you have a script.

3. Some ball shrinkage will happen sure, but if your dose is good and PCT is good, they'll come back.
generally yes, but this is also dependant on how long you've been on for.

4. Hair falling out sounds like improper use of gear and/or PCT but crazy nutrition tactics come to my mind first. Again, do it right. Of course bad sh.it will happen if you do it wrong, of course it will but she makes it sound like those things HAVE TO HAPPEN.
hair loss is genetic, and is exacerbated by certain gear. If you're prone, you're out of luck, if not, you're fine. It has to do with DHT.

5. I've read about people getting ache on the back and maybe a little more hairgrowth but you pop the pimples and you shave the hair. No big deal I don't think. Or you use some ache cream and leave the hair alone. She made it sound like you turn into sasquatch, lol.
again, genetics play a role. I am definitely more hirsute now than before. I also get bacne. Oh well, it's the deal I made.

6. That last thing she mentioned and trailed off, "And other things" like something slipped her mind or she ran out of bad things she could think she could say. She did leave us off with the final bad thing: DNA change. Which she says leads to cancer in the user of gear, and "has been linked" her exact words, no proof on hand though for her to give to us to support her claim, to the user and to the user's children, should he ever produce them. So does that mean if I use gear and then go to the sperm bank and jack off for $20, does that mean I'm spreading cancer? I should be able to get sued for that.

I know chronic IGF use can increase cancer cells and risk, I'm not aware of test doing the same.

The main point to all this was that most of the behaviors associated with OC [obsessive-compulsive] were things good BBers would adapt. Like:

Statement: Some day of the weekend, you prepare your weeks worth of food.

My reaction: Well you need food for 5 days and it needs to be high-protein with carbs and little fat so do it and the weekend you'll have some spare time so get it done.

Statement: Her little story, she took some of her "more obsessive students" ie the SMART ONES to a nutrition conference in Indianapolis, like they pay a part for the trip and it's sort of a senior project [sounds like fun to me]. So she took a few guys with her and before the trip one of them kept asking if there was a gym around there because it was a week trip and he needed to workout. She made it sound like he was pestering her....

snip...she's right in that all several aspects of a bbrs lifestyle could indicate OCD or body dismorphia or any range of other disorders in the DSMIV, what she fails to mention is the context of these habits. Behaviours are only classified as a part of a disorder if a) the subject feels they have little to no control over them and b) they are affecting their life negatively.


* "There is no pill or powder that can make us gain or loss significant amounts of weight in a short period of time."
bullsh!t...there are a bunch, I'm not sure they're worth the risk though

* "Muscularity does not equal Masculinity." Obviously. But it helps, obviously. But then again Masculinity is a very broad term, a lot of things could or could not enhance that quality.
she's 100% right as there is no cohesive and stable definition of masculinity. It is geographically, culturally, and temporally constructed. That said, one of the dominant hegemonic ideals of masculinity in N.A. culture is that of the muscular or athletic man. There are lots of others as well which relate to race and class. This is too long a discussion to get into here, but suffice to say that in some situations you will probably benefit from being muscular, and in other situations you will not benefit from it.

* "Not every man can have a 6-pack abs." That I didn't know. I just thought it was genetic like other body parts, either you have it or you don't. But beyond that, if you didn't have em I thought you could work your ass off to get them, she says no.
everyone can be lean enough to see ab muscles, their cofiguration is down to genetics.

[KM]

First, before I say anything, I'd like everyone to step outside of their lifestyle for a moment and see bodybuilding from an outside perspective.

I'm sure I'm not the only one, but if you take a long break from bodybuilding and look back at the lifestyle you were living, it is most definitely compulsive. People with different views and opinions will call it something else, but at the end of the day, it's an OC lifestyle. Eventually, your life molds around it and your priorities shift. And in this respect it's not good.

Dedication is a word that I believe brings out the best in someone. If you're dedicated, chances are, you're pretty motivated to complete that task for goal. But bodybuilding brings it to a whole new level. Essentially, you have about 2-3 hours in between your meals of leisure, but when I'm going full throttle, I'm usually pre-planning my meals in my mind. Face it, your life revolves around it.

From this point on, in my opinion, a cloud of mere mental disorders swarm in your mind. Nothing drastic, but evident. You're constantly worrying about how you look, if you're getting your calories in, if you've left sufficient time for recovery, and so forth. This is obsessive compulsive and is contributory to the infamous "plateau". "Bigorexia" is real and does exist but at the same time it can easily diminish.

That's the jist of my opinion.

Originally Posted by n88tr

Statement: "The use of steroids, Testosterone, will make you gain muscle. Even if you work out a little bit you will gain muscle. If I were to take some, I would get big. But it's illegal and a very dangerous... pause...very dangerous drug. You will get big but your testicles will shrink, your hair will fall out, your skin will look like crap and you'll grow hair on your back and other places. And all sort of ...pause... other things can happen, you'll grow this, you'll grow that and it's all bad. And illegal."

Prevention: Lot's of points here....

1. She ALWAYS says Testosterone when she says steroids. And I was under the impression you took Test in addition to your gear so when your body shut down it's own function of Test you could keep it functioning with synthetic Test. Test in itself shouldn't be the ONLY thing you take 'when you go on gear' I thought. I could be wrong but this is where you can jump in.

4. Hair falling out sounds like improper use of gear and/or PCT but crazy nutrition tactics come to my mind first. Again, do it right. Of course bad sh.it will happen if you do it wrong, of course it will but she makes it sound like those things HAVE TO HAPPEN. I've read about people getting ache on the back and maybe a little more hairgrowth but you pop the pimples and you shave the hair. No big deal I don't think. Or you use some ache cream and leave the hair alone. She made it sound like you turn into sasquatch, lol.

Again, those side effects seem relative to steroid use, but no study can pinpoint the side effects of steroids. It's a drug. Drugs have side effects that vary depending on the user, but that doesn't mean X amount of that drug will produce X side effect.

Also, all steroids are not testosterone. If they were, then there would be an alphabet full of testosterone (E, C, P, etc.). Some are derivatives of testosterone compounds, but not necessarily pure test. A lot of what teachers relay to their students are the consquences of no PCT.

For instance: "if you take steroids you will stunt your growth". Realistically, that could be true. If estrogen rises, which it will, the chances are high. But that's the point of a PCT: regenerate natural HPTA (testosterone) function and decrease estrogen.

Your teacher doesn't seem too off track though bro.

Kev

[prime52]

yes steroids is a level 5 drug which means if your caught with it you get sentence the same as meth.

also igf will increase cancer cells, steroids will not.

awesome post here guys!

[ibanezman88]

KM, every paragraph i read of yours and all i was thinking was.....yes...yes....go on...

you're absolutely right about it.

you don't even have to take a break to realize that's it's a very compulsive lifestyle.

it's all so very true.

mindstar, also some very good information.

n88tr, these are some very good and smart questions! all three of you are very intelligent individuals.

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by n88tr

So I've come upon a few questions that are the kind that you try to answer and you look back at the question to find more information for the answer and then you don't know what to do so you look at the question.... over and over like that.

Today's lecture was: "Body Dissatisfaction The Male Disorder." Not to be undersold but it is done so a lot b/c blah blah it's a "female disorder" and blah blah it's okay for guys to overeat, it's something guys brag about blah blah vomiting, bulimic behavior traits, constant looking in mirrors and reflections, wearing thick or baggy clothing to camouflage body image, etc etc. Another in the long series of lectures in this class [not required for my Health Promotion minor but i thought it'd be fun to take so I'm taking it] where I don't learn anything.

Things people "abuse" like Creatine, GHB, HGH [she says GHB and HGH are the same thing], gurana, steroids, cortisol, etc.

Well GHB raises HGH if taken before bed so kind of a precursor of HGH, kind of the same thing.

I thought GHB was that date rape drug...

Athletes at risk:

* Wrestlers [cutting weight a lot]
* Rowing [need to be light for boat but still muscular]
* Distance running [need to be lean]
* Weight Lifting [bulk and cut and contest-prep activities]
-- she didn't mention BBers but I assume she thought they'd fall under Weight Lifting.

Every now and then she says something that makes me question her credibility. I hate when these things happen...

Not word for word but close to this:

Statement: "Abusing creatine will lead to liver, kidney and lower intestine tract failure."

She must mean taking like 30 grams a day and not drinking enough for extended periods of time or something.

Prevention: Don't load like a dumbass with like 40 grams and keep that water high, 1 gallon minimum. And does it really affect the intestines? I never heard that before. But then again if you're doing a lot of grams things are being used in a manner not intended so you might have greater side effects, I don't know.

Statement: "The use of steroids, Testosterone, will make you gain muscle. Even if you work out a little bit you will gain muscle. If I were to take some, I would get big. But it's illegal and a very dangerous... pause...very dangerous drug. You will get big but your testicles will shrink, your hair will fall out, your skin will look like crap and you'll grow hair on your back and other places. And all sort of ...pause... other things can happen, you'll grow this, you'll grow that and it's all bad. And illegal."

Prevention: Lot's of points here....

1. She ALWAYS says Testosterone when she says steroids. And I was under the impression you took Test in addition to your gear so when your body shut down it's own function of Test you could keep it functioning with synthetic Test. Test in itself shouldn't be the ONLY thing you take 'when you go on gear' I thought. I could be wrong but this is where you can jump in.

2. I don't think Test is illegal. Might be hard to get but I don't think illegal.
Pretty sure it's illegal
3. Some ball shrinkage will happen sure, but if your dose is good and PCT is good, they'll come back.

4. Hair falling out sounds like improper use of gear and/or PCT but crazy nutrition tactics come to my mind first. Again, do it right. Of course bad sh.it will happen if you do it wrong, of course it will but she makes it sound like those things HAVE TO HAPPEN.

5. I've read about people getting ache on the back and maybe a little more hairgrowth but you pop the pimples and you shave the hair. No big deal I don't think. Or you use some ache cream and leave the hair alone. She made it sound like you turn into sasquatch, lol.

6. That last thing she mentioned and trailed off, "And other things" like something slipped her mind or she ran out of bad things she could think she could say. She did leave us off with the final bad thing: DNA change. Which she says leads to cancer in the user of gear, and "has been linked" her exact words, no proof on hand though for her to give to us to support her claim, to the user and to the user's children, should he ever produce them. So does that mean if I use gear and then go to the sperm bank and jack off for $20, does that mean I'm spreading cancer? I should be able to get sued for that.

The main point to all this was that most of the behaviors associated with OC [obsessive-compulsive] were things good BBers would adapt. Like:

Statement: Some day of the weekend, you prepare your weeks worth of food.

My reaction: Well you need food for 5 days and it needs to be high-protein with carbs and little fat so do it and the weekend you'll have some spare time so get it done.

Statement: Her little story, she took some of her "more obsessive students" ie the SMART ONES to a nutrition conference in Indianapolis, like they pay a part for the trip and it's sort of a senior project [sounds like fun to me]. So she took a few guys with her and before the trip one of them kept asking if there was a gym around there because it was a week trip and he needed to workout. She made it sound like he was pestering her.

Next was his persistence that he needed to bring his cooler of chicken breasts with him on the drive. Again our instructor made it sound like he was an ass for such a request.

My reaction: Ok well as a BBer, in a cut or bulk or contest-prep he would need to workout. He might take a few days off but a week? I don't think so. He lives his life and he has to adapt his life as best he cant with available resources ie the gym, to accommodate his lifestyle of BBing.

Second, he needs to eat! Where do you expect him to eat, McDonalds? Fu.ck no. He's being prepared and ready for his meals and for his goals as a BBer, applaud him for that. Our instructor is fit but not a BBer obviously but she should understand his need for proper nutrition and just because it's a cooler doesn't mean anything. It's a lot of food for a week, so he needs a cooler, okay? 1+1 = 2.

So the second main point is that I am defending the actions of someone as a BBer [I don't look the part at all but I just need to put in more work and time]. I can understand where he's coming from but beyond him and her story about him, I see a lot of the "risk signs" from the lecture as being things that a successful and dedicated BBer does. As long as you don't let it really mess with your life. Yeah you can't do family functions with food and if you really have to, bring your own food. If they want to bit.ch and whine, go eat outside or in the living room while they're somewhere else. Your life is DIFFERENT than theirs, some conflicts will occur. Duh.

But I think it's strange [the repeating question from the start of this thread] that the signs of a successful bodybuilder are signs that he [or she!] has an image issue and is severely mentally-incapable of making decisions for his or her health.

There were a lot of common sense things in the powerpoint handout/lecture she gave us. She handed out the print outs and then went over it with us, just in-case we forgot to read for our 110-200 class. ie,

* "There is no pill or powder that can make us gain or loss significant amounts of weight in a short period of time."

* "Muscularity does not equal Masculinity." Obviously. But it helps, obviously. But then again Masculinity is a very broad term, a lot of things could or could not enhance that quality.

* "Not every man can have a 6-pack abs." That I didn't know. I just thought it was genetic like other body parts, either you have it or you don't. But beyond that, if you didn't have em I thought you could work your ass off to get them, she says no.

No way, everyone has ridged abs under fat. Everyone, I'm pretty sure about this.

So an interesting lecture and I wanted the Dungeon [admittedly a biased group but hey who else do I have to talk to?] the weigh in. I'll give you some time to read it all, lol.

Personally I think she has only somewhat proven and solid info. People anyways tend to exaggerate negetive side effects of everything illegal. Like EVERYTHING illegal is a satan spawn.

[Freak]

Steroids are schedule 3.

Meth is schedule 1: meaning there is not medical use for it.

Baldness is genetic.

How bad you get acne on aas - did you break out a lot during puberty.. it will pretty much be the same.

Testosterone does not cause cancer. It does not INITIATE cancer; it causes it to spread faster. Big difference.

Mindstar covered everything else. Props to him.

[<3Frosty]

When i started working out heavily, i noticed i started to have a receding hair line. Could it be because i had an increase in natural testosterone that accelerated my hair loss? My grandpa (mom's side) and my dad both have a full head of hair, and no one in my immediate family that i know of really has balding issues. I know that isnt always a sign that it will or wont affect you, but just curious...


great replies guys

[Freak]

I highly doubt it's from working out Frosty. Probably a coincidence.

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by Freak

Steroids are schedule 3.

Meth is schedule 1: meaning there is not medical use for it.

Baldness is genetic.

How bad you get acne on aas - did you break out a lot during puberty.. it will pretty much be the same.

Testosterone does not cause cancer. It does not INITIATE cancer; it causes it to spread faster. Big difference.

Mindstar covered everything else. Props to him.

Meth is schedule two and marijuana's schedule one! This means there's no medical use for marijuana, so medical marijuana? Guess they never heard of it. And apparently meth's healthier than pot?

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by prime52

yes steroids is a level 5 drug which means if your caught with it you get sentence the same as meth.

also igf will increase cancer cells, steroids will not.

awesome post here guys!

Schedule 5? Almost nothing's in schedule five. Test's schedule 3

Here's a copy, DEA, Drug Scheduling

[Freak]

You're correct Mike. Thanks for catching that.

[<3Frosty]

Mike knows all about the drugs apparently...

[<3Frosty]

Originally Posted by Freak

I highly doubt it's from working out Frosty. Probably a coincidence.

I wanna visit a dermatologist. See wtf is up with MY genes.

[mikeh40+]

mindstar wow what a reply you made, reps dude,
KM another solid reply also reps for that as well,
freak,, spot on as usual also,,reps
i believe everything was covered in-depth here with some pretty solid answers,
good thread to bring up n88tr, reps for that also..

[prime52]

L.A county treats meth and anabolic steroids as level 5 meaning you are arrested and sentence for felony possession. also includes 2 years in county jail if no priors and a fine and possible rehabilitation. And it is a schedule 3 drug in U.S

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by prime52

L.A county treats meth and anabolic steroids as level 5 meaning you are arrested and sentence for felony possession. also includes 2 years in county jail if no priors and a fine and possible rehabilitation. And it is a schedule 3 drug in U.S

odd how they would put that crap meth in the same categorie as gear if you ask me..good info prime

[MikeNYY420]

Originally Posted by <3Frosty

Mike knows all about the drugs apparently...

Haha believe it or not I learned the drug schedules from shows on the History channel.

[mikeh40+]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

Haha believe it or not I learned the drug schedules from shows on the History channel.

sure mike,, i believe ya,, uh huh,, ... jk bro..

[n88tr]

Awesome posts guys all around, esp Mindstar.

Gives me a lot to think about. Thank you.

[A-Ron21]

I wish I could sit in on your class and obliterate her with questions. Testosterone is illegal if its not prescribed to you, it IS a steroid (steroid hormone, an anabolic androgenic steroid, whereas birthcontrol is not an anabolic steroid, but still a steroid).

From what you said it sounds like she doesn't know the line between being dedicated and having an eating/body image disorder.

Example:

Normal person: "I need to take my cooler of food with me, because I am following a strict diet for this contest and need to eat every three hours."

Body Image Disorder: "I worked out once today, but I am going to work out again later and once more in the evening. I plan on purchasing steroids to get big as fast as possible. I HAVE to be bigger than everyone else, no matter what cost."
----

Also, keep in mind, give her some credit: she is speaking to a GENERAL nutrition class, where most students don't know their arse from their elbow when it comes to steroids or anything else, so the best thing she can do is deter anyone from using them because 99% of the people will screw it up.

[n88tr]

Agreed.

[johnNYC]

It seems like the teacher is throwing too much emotion into the presentation and less facts. It seems very biased.

She's somewhat right regarding the steroids but that's an easy argument to make.

I can see the whole OCC debate but don't agree. My main point being, does someone training for the bar exam or med school have OCC as well because they HAVE to study every day? No. Many of them are extremely focused on an end result- a goal. They are doing many things in their life that can be seen as bad - assuming huge financial risks (loans), hurting their social life, hurting their mental and physical state due to exhaustion and stress all to reach an end goal. BB is the same thing. It takes hard work, dedication, focus to meet a sorta array of sometimes endless goals. As long as that person is in control of those goals and the means to meet them aren't harmful, then I don't believe it should be seen as harmful. OCC is when the person doesn't have control of what's going on. Big, Big difference.

Obviously people can't always draw the line. If that person needs to eat that chicken because he's so focused on his goal, she should respect that and he should not be ridiculed. What if the teacher was in school and they had a trip a week before she is going to take an exam. She might want to bring her books. Would it be cool for the guy to say no, that she's paranoid and she has plenty of time to study? No. She might be more comfortable always being prepared. That might be her way of being successful. Just like a BBer's focus might be razor sharp on his diet and workout. There is nothing wrong with that.

I worked in a gym for 4 years. Some of the biggest dudes HAD to be there at 5:45 in the morning so they can get X amount of things in before work. Everyone that worked there was cool with it. The guy was working his tail off towards his goals. How could you say anything bad about that?

[MikeNYY420]

We're starting nutrition in health class right now. One thing that we have to do is use mypyramid.gov to keep track of what we eat for a day. I'll bring in my 4000 calorie sheet and see how "unhealthy" that is. Actually my health teacher's very knowledgable and I don't think she'll say it's bad like N88tr's teacher sounds like she would hahah.

[n88tr]

Originally Posted by MikeNYY420

We're starting nutrition in health class right now. One thing that we have to do is use mypyramid.gov to keep track of what we eat for a day. I'll bring in my 4000 calorie sheet and see how "unhealthy" that is. Actually my health teacher's very knowledgable and I don't think she'll say it's bad like N88tr's teacher sounds like she would hahah.

That is exactly what we did.

I remember my protein was over 1000%. I was lol but my instructor told me it was not funny. I was still lol b/c i couldn't put in any of my whey or supplements, then it would've been 2000% probably.

[ibanezman88]

i took a nutrition class and i'm very happy with the instructor i had. he was very supportive of athletes on a high caloric and protein regimine.