[jornT]

Originally Posted by pickle

Faith (In himself and god. )

Oh STFU, this single point made your whole post worthless. Like anyone cares he has faith in god, that has absolutly nothing to do with it.

I ain't picking sides, but if I write an essay why Jay would be better and somewhere in it I write:

-He's white.

You wouldn't take me serieus, would you?

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by TheAnimal

Ronnie has monster triceps whatchu talking bout'

I think Big red was smokin that rack this morning bc RONNIE GOT TRIS! He got a side a beef on the back a his arms man, hes hUGE!

[Q80_MuscleHed]

i think they claimed about lack of detail of ronnie's tri's .. but nevertheless .. ronnie has a huge horse shoe

[miniduck]

Let's try something like this: Rate each of their body parts out of 100 according to the 05 Olympia.

Coleman:

back- 95- His left lat was a bit off.

biceps- 100- Great peak.

triceps- 50- Many people had better.

legs- 70- Definitely not the best, but not bad by any means.

chest- 90- Very impressive, but not quite his best imo.

abs- 60- Better than the previous year, but still a bit bloated.

calves- 70- Not too bad, but nothing special.

shoulders- 85- Very big, but not perfect.

traps- 95- Huge traps, still not best though.

Cutler:

back- 80- Very much improved, but not there yet.

biceps- 80- Big, but he's got a symmetry problem.

triceps- 95- One of the best there.

legs-100- Best wheels. Some would say Branch or Mo', but imo Cutler had more visible cuts.

chest- 70- Not too bad, but still too flat to beat Ron.

abs- 65- Slightly bloated, but not so bad as to detract from the rest of his body.

calves- 100- Great calves.

shoulders- 95- Huge shoulders, but some say they overpower other parts. I disagree, though.

traps- 85- Very good, but could use a little improvement.
---------
Overall:

Coleman- 715
Cutler- 770

What do you guys think? I myself was suprised at this result. I actually thought Coleman would win by about 30-40. Post your own ratings. Oh, and if anyone thought I was off by too much in one of these ratings, post pictures and explain why. No bashing and please use at least close to proper grammar.

[prisoner yates]

Originally Posted by q80_muscleHed

i think they claimed about lack of detail of ronnie's tri's .. but nevertheless .. ronnie has a huge horse shoe

agreed mate.colemans triceps r huge but just lack a bit of detail.damn many of u say his left tri was torn,hell when ronnie was doing individual posing in 2005,he triceps hang more than any 1 else.they r huge but lack a bit of detail.......

as far as iron jay goes the dude seems like he keeps himself juiced all year round.the guy is 1 dedicated guy but i think ronnie would take it .ronnie just knows wat 2 do and how 2 do it at the right time.big ron will nail this time also and i know cutler is making improvements each year but ronnie is known 2 nail his condition within 12 weeks before the contest.but still u never know.wat jay cutler has in store for us this time..........

[Q80_MuscleHed]

Ronnie reached the muscle maturaty .. while cutler needs to do more to reach that level of Ronnie's muscleraty

[prisoner yates]

Originally Posted by miniduck

Let's try something like this: Rate each of their body parts out of 100 according to the 05 Olympia.

Coleman:

back- 95- His left lat was a bit off.

biceps- 100- Great peak.

triceps- 50- Many people had better.

legs- 70- Definitely not the best, but not bad by any means.

chest- 90- Very impressive, but not quite his best imo.

abs- 60- Better than the previous year, but still a bit bloated.

calves- 70- Not too bad, but nothing special.

shoulders- 85- Very big, but not perfect.

traps- 95- Huge traps, still not best though.

Cutler:

back- 80- Very much improved, but not there yet.

biceps- 80- Big, but he's got a symmetry problem.

triceps- 95- One of the best there.

legs-100- Best wheels. Some would say Branch or Mo', but imo Cutler had more visible cuts.

chest- 70- Not too bad, but still too flat to beat Ron.

abs- 65- Slightly bloated, but not so bad as to detract from the rest of his body.

calves- 100- Great calves.

shoulders- 95- Huge shoulders, but some say they overpower other parts. I disagree, though.

traps- 85- Very good, but could use a little improvement.
---------
Overall:

Coleman- 715
Cutler- 770

What do you guys think? I myself was suprised at this result. I actually thought Coleman would win by about 30-40. Post your own ratings. Oh, and if anyone thought I was off by too much in one of these ratings, post pictures and explain why. No bashing and please use at least close to proper grammar.

WAT A STUPID DUMB POST ...........ur treatin ur self as an IFBB judge.rate this UR A **** HEAD.YEP 1000000% TRUE

[miniduck]

Originally Posted by prisoner yates

WAT A STUPID DUMB POST ...........ur treatin ur self as an IFBB judge.rate this UR A **** HEAD.YEP 1000000% TRUE

Ban?

[Q80_MuscleHed]

hey Prisoner yates .. be respectufull man for the members .. he's just gave his openion and nothing deserve to insult him

[BigBen]

Great post mini nice idea bro, i liked it, guess yates didnt, buts all gravey boat bro! Nice idea!

[miniduck]

Originally Posted by jornT

WAT A STUPID DUMB POST ...........ur treatin ur self as an like your somebody who has the right to judge his post, rate this UR A **** HEAD.YEP 1000000% TRUE

@ mini****...I ment duck. Don't call for a ban, insult back, much more fun

It's not THAT mini...

I thought about it (insulting back), but after reading the rest of his posts and noticing how 60% of them are like what he just said, I figured it wasn't worth it. Come on Pain/Rob/whoever, get him out of here.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by miniduck

It's not THAT mini...

I thought about it (insulting back), but after reading the rest of his posts and noticing how 60% of them are like what he just said, I figured it wasn't worth it. Come on Pain/Rob/whoever, get him out of here.

Can I insult him for you?

[Gakicase]

u guys fight like my little sister

[Pain]

Originally Posted by prisoner yates

WAT A STUPID DUMB POST ...........ur treatin ur self as an IFBB judge.rate this UR A **** HEAD.YEP 1000000% TRUE

Bye.

Please cut out the damn whoring jornt in this section.. use the post whore thread for that!!

[Q80_MuscleHed]

Originally Posted by Rob

Bye.

Please cut out the damn whoring jornt in this section.. use the post whore thread for that!!

yeas master !!

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Rob

Bye.

Please cut out the damn whoring jornt in this section.. use the post whore thread for that!!

I only accept Pain's authority!





































I mean yes Master Rob king sir.

[mindstar]

the problem with that rating system miniduck, is that each bodypart is weighted equally...while this might be good in theory, calves never won someone a Sandow.

Legs
Back
Chest

/100 each

Delts
Bis
Abs

/80

Tris
calves

/60

Forearms

/40

Might be closer to how I'd weight the body parts.

[Pain]

nuff said.

[jornT]

Originally Posted by Gakicase

u guys fight like my little sister

Pic's?

[Pain]

2001 Olympia.

[miniduck]

Originally Posted by mindstar

the problem with that rating system miniduck, is that each bodypart is weighted equally...while this might be good in theory, calves never won someone a Sandow.

Legs
Back
Chest

/100 each

Delts
Bis
Abs

/80

Tris
calves

/60

Forearms

/40

Might be closer to how I'd weight the body parts.

I actually thought about that soon after I posted. I would now do it as:

Back, legs, abs: 100

Biceps, triceps, chest, shoulders: 80

Calves, traps: 60

Forearms: 40

Of course symmetry and proportion would have to be weighted in, but proportion could get very complicated on here. I'll try to re-do the scores based on the format I just made.

We need more opinions based on this format as well.

---Oh, and Rob, how about some 2005 pictures, considering that's what we're rating off of.

[miniduck]

Max points-

Back, legs, abs: 100

Biceps, triceps, chest, shoulders: 80

Calves, traps: 60

Forearms: 40
------------------
Coleman:

back- 95

legs- 70

abs- 60

biceps- 80

triceps- 40

chest- 70

shoulders- 70

calves- 45

traps- 55

forearm- 35

Cutler:

back- 80

legs- 100

abs- 70

biceps- 65

triceps- 75

chest- 60

shoulders- 75

calves- 60

traps- 50

forearms- 30

Overall:

Coleman- 620

Cutler- 665

So, it appears Cutler still won using this system. Please note that posing and proportion were not factored into this, but symmetry was.

[fahad]

Originally Posted by q80_muscleHed

that becasue ur currently 276 pounds at 6 feet tall and only 19 years old........ALL ACCOMPLISHED NATURALLY ........ : ..........
FROM THE BEGINNING u KNEW IT, u FELT IT, AND u SAID IT 2 ur SELF (I NEVER WANNA LOOK LIKE that king kamali)...I WANNA B DA BIGGEST AND DA FREAKIEST BODYBUILDER THAT THE WORLD WILL EVER C .. and in ur face king fahad

YA BIG RON LIGHT EAZZYYY WEIGHT....loool .... .............

[Lineski]

Originally Posted by miniduck

Max points-

Back, legs, abs: 100

Biceps, triceps, chest, shoulders: 80

Calves, traps: 60

Forearms: 40
------------------
Coleman:

back- 95

legs- 70

abs- 60

biceps- 80

triceps- 40

chest- 70

shoulders- 70

calves- 45

traps- 55

forearm- 35

Cutler:

back- 80

legs- 100

abs- 70

biceps- 65

triceps- 75

chest- 60

shoulders- 75

calves- 60

traps- 50

forearms- 30

Overall:

Coleman- 620

Cutler- 665

So, it appears Cutler still won using this system. Please note that posing and proportion were not factored into this, but symmetry was.

I think this is a step in the right direction but I'm not sure if abs should be worth 100. Also, I'm not sure how you're determining these ratings. In legs, does Ronnie's 70 out of 100 mean that his legs are only as good as 70% of the other guys on stage or does it mean that his legs are 70% as good as legs possibly can be? What I mean by this is that Ronnie's legs are clearly better than 70% of the guys on stage at the O and even a higher percentage than that when compared to every other bodybuilder out there. You also say symmetry is involved but I'm not sure how you factored it in seeing how Jay scored a perfect 100 on legs yet one is clearly bigger than the other. I mean I'm not trying to say your system is bad but you're either obviously somewhat biased or just didn't think things through as much as you could've. Still, an interesting system, I just think it can be improved upon.

Seeing how I'm bored, I'm going to work on a system involving the top 10 guys at the Olympia and ranking them in order 1-10 in the following categories in order of importance:

Condition
-Overall leaness, Seperation, Detail, Dryness, Vascularity
Mass
-Total Size of Lean Mass
Shape/Proportion
-Actual Shape of Muscle Bellies, Fullness, Relation of Muscles in Comparison to Others
Symmetry
-Left to Right and Top to Bottom Symmetry

Those who score the highest in each category will receive ten points, the lowest will score one. The first two categories (conditioning and mass) will each be worth 30% of the total score; the other two (shape/proportion and symmetry) will be worth 20% each. Highest score will win. I'll post exactly what I came up with then I'm curious to hear everyone's opinion as well after I post. I'll do my best to be fair and objective so that if that means I won't mess with the results on purpose just to make Ronnie come out on top. I'll post my findings soon.

[fLesh23]

lineski, i think they are just comparing out of jay and ronnie... not any others, could be wrong

[miniduck]

Originally Posted by Lineski367

I think this is a step in the right direction but I'm not sure if abs should be worth 100. Also, I'm not sure how you're determining these ratings. In legs, does Ronnie's 70 out of 100 mean that his legs are only as good as 70% of the other guys on stage or does it mean that his legs are 70% as good as legs possibly can be? What I mean by this is that Ronnie's legs are clearly better than 70% of the guys on stage at the O and even a higher percentage than that when compared to every other bodybuilder out there. You also say symmetry is involved but I'm not sure how you factored it in seeing how Jay scored a perfect 100 on legs yet one is clearly bigger than the other. I mean I'm not trying to say your system is bad but you're either obviously somewhat biased or just didn't think things through as much as you could've. Still, an interesting system, I just think it can be improved upon.

Seeing how I'm bored, I'm going to work on a system involving the top 10 guys at the Olympia and ranking them in order 1-10 in the following categories in order of importance:

Condition
-Overall leaness, Seperation, Detail, Dryness, Vascularity
Mass
-Total Size of Lean Mass
Shape/Proportion
-Actual Shape of Muscle Bellies, Fullness, Relation of Muscles in Comparison to Others
Symmetry
-Left to Right and Top to Bottom Symmetry

Those who score the highest in each category will receive ten points, the lowest will score one. The first two categories (conditioning and mass) will each be worth 30% of the total score; the other two (shape/proportion and symmetry) will be worth 20% each. Highest score will win. I'll post exactly what I came up with then I'm curious to hear everyone's opinion as well after I post. I'll do my best to be fair and objective so that if that means I won't mess with the results on purpose just to make Ronnie come out on top. I'll post my findings soon.

I basically scored it by how they good they were in relation to others in the competition. For example, I gave Ron a 95/100 for his back. He had the best thickness and detail, but not the best symmetry.

I made abs worth 100 because 1) everyone makes a huge deal out of them (look at all of the talk about Ronnie and Jay's "guts") and 2) you see them in 3-4 poses. I only gave them a 10 point difference, so it did not affect the scores that much.

You were right when you said I didn't think things through as much as I could have. I didn't have the pics on-hand, so I was just going by memory. I also try not to be biased; I was actually very surprised when Jay came out on top.

In conclusion, I really do appreciate your feedback and I find your posts informative and well thought-out. I'm looking forward to how your results come out.

[miniduck]

Originally Posted by fLesh23

lineski, i think they are just comparing out of jay and ronnie... not any others, could be wrong

Well, we were.... but why not make it even more interesting, right?

[Lineski]

Originally Posted by fLesh23

lineski, i think they are just comparing out of jay and ronnie... not any others, could be wrong

True, but I'm only comparing the entire top 10 just to give a perspective to see how they rank compared to the other pros and also to get better basal numbers than just guessing arbitrarily as to what they should be. I'm still working it out and will post the results but I still don't like the numbers that miniduck came up with because he didn't really say where they came from at all. Once again, he had a great idea but I think it could be thought through better.

EDIT: Just saw miniduck's other post. Makes sense bro, just I feel it could use a little more tweaking

[pickle]

Originally Posted by jornT

Oh STFU, this single point made your whole post worthless. Like anyone cares he has faith in god, that has absolutly nothing to do with it.

I ain't picking sides, but if I write an essay why Jay would be better and somewhere in it I write:

-He's white.

You wouldn't take me serieus, would you?

Jorn T my opinion is as is dont tell me to shut up. I dont necessarily believe in God but ronnie does and if he talks about how he thinks hes been "blessed by God" Hes not just training for himself he's training because he thinks thats the intention given down to him by some being greater then himself. Its an incredibley powerful thing to have faith in God and relating it to training is like giving a purpose greater then just for yourself. Even if i dont believe in God I can see the power in this philosophy Faith in God is in essence just reinforcing faith in yourself. Stop being so bitter and try to find something to believe in yourself other then flaming...

Originally Posted by jornT

somewhere in it I write:

-He's white.

You wouldn't take me serieus, would you?

I dont think i'd ever take you seriously...

[BigBen]

Originally Posted by pickle

Jorn T my opinion is as is dont tell me to shut up. I dont necessarily believe in God but ronnie does and if he talks about how he thinks hes been "blessed by God" Hes not just training for himself he's training because he thinks thats the intention given down to him by some being greater then himself. Its an incredibley powerful thing to have faith in God and relating it to training is like giving a purpose greater then just for yourself. Even if i dont believe in God I can see the power in this philosophy Faith in God is in essence just reinforcing faith in yourself. Stop being so bitter and try to find something to believe in yourself other then flaming...

I agree 100% bro. Awesome post pickle. I fully believe in God and all of his graces bro. I see exactly where Ronnie is coming from.