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Old 06-11-2006, 03:45 PM   #271
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beacause he's already have the matureity of muscle mass
 
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beacause he's already have the matureity of muscle mass
What??? come again please.....
 
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What??? come again please.....
I'm pretty sure he meant that all the heavy weight and years and years of training that Ronnie has over Jay gives him the advantage of not just overall thickness but muscle-maturity; which is a legitiment point indeed
 
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I'm pretty sure he meant that all the heavy weight and years and years of training that Ronnie has over Jay gives him the advantage of not just overall thickness but muscle-maturity; which is a legitiment point indeed
Exactly
 
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Gotcha, when I read that it came off a lil weird. That has a lot to do with age and not his t-bar rows tho....... and genetics altogether for that matter
 
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Instead of high-jacking another thread even further, I'll post this over here:
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and i have to say that some people(lineski)say that jay has a similar or worse gut problem than ronnie but thats BS because ronnie is the only one with that round nasty actual pregnant look that should be an immediate disqualification.i wonder if i have pushed lineski over the edge with this one
LOL not at all because you're wrong. Every pro bodybuilder has a gut when they exhale and it's usually pretty proportionate with the amount of overall mass that bodybuilder is carrying. This past year, Jay's midsection was worse than Ronnie's as far as distention is concerned. I'm not ignoring Ronnie's past problems controlling his stomach but I really don't think it will be a problem for him this coming year, as it wasn't last year.
 
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LOL not at all because you're wrong. Every pro bodybuilder has a gut when they exhale and it's usually pretty proportionate with the amount of overall mass that bodybuilder is carrying. This past year, Jay's midsection was worse than Ronnie's as far as distention is concerned. I'm not ignoring Ronnie's past problems controlling his stomach but I really don't think it will be a problem for him this coming year, as it wasn't last year.
Post some pics, because I completely disagree. Jays midsection was much better than Ronnies.
 
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Post some pics, because I completely disagree. Jays midsection was much better than Ronnies.
Besides watching the videos that Tech and Pain put up where you can just see that Jay's midsection is thicker than normal, this was posted in by Diesel who I believe actually prefers Cutler to Coleman
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well, looks like i will have to post these once again...



i think its funny how every time i post these i don't get any responses from cutler fans

EDIT: im not favoring Coleman or anything...im just showing both sides
 
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Lineski, in that first pic Ronnie and Jay's guts are about equal, it's just that Ronnie's is harder to see due to the lighting.

In the second, Jay's stomach sticks out on top but slopes down, which can simply be from his ribs (mine stick out on top quite a bit).

In the third, his stomach is not even bulging in the middle like Ronnie's does, and his chest still sticks out farther than his stomach.
 
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Lineski, in that first pic Ronnie and Jay's guts are about equal, it's just that Ronnie's is harder to see due to the lighting.

In the second, Jay's stomach sticks out on top but slopes down, which can simply be from his ribs (mine stick out on top quite a bit).

In the third, his stomach is not even bulging in the middle like Ronnie's does, and his chest still sticks out farther than his stomach.
Now I am getting sick of you guys because you can't even admit that Cutler had a bloat problem at this past year's O. Watch the videos, look at the pics, read accounts from the people who were actually there, whatever. Every unbiased party is willing to say that this year Jay didn't control his stomach nearly as well as he did in the past and it was apparent. Not one member of Team Coleman will deny Ronnie's gut but the moment wonder-boy Jay has the slightest bloat you guy all play deny, deny, deny.
 
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Now I am getting sick of you guys because you can't even admit that Cutler had a bloat problem at this past year's O. Watch the videos, look at the pics, read accounts from the people who were actually there, whatever. Every unbiased party is willing to say that this year Jay didn't control his stomach nearly as well as he did in the past and it was apparent. Not one member of Team Coleman will deny Ronnie's gut but the moment wonder-boy Jay has the slightest bloat you guy all play deny, deny, deny.
I'm not denying it, I'm just saying it wasn't nearly as bad as you Team Coleman guys keep making it out to be. His waist was probably at its all time worst, but it was by no means terrible. Cutler and Coleman's waists were about equal at the O. IMO, Cutler's was better when flexing, but Ron's was better when relaxed.

Just calm down a little...
 
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Old 06-12-2006, 02:43 AM   #282
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I'm not denying it, I'm just saying it wasn't nearly as bad as you Team Coleman guys keep making it out to be. His waist was probably at its all time worst, but it was by no means terrible. Cutler and Coleman's waists were about equal at the O. IMO, Cutler's was better when flexing, but Ron's was better when relaxed.

Just calm down a little...




I'm actually calm now, I have bipolar and I've been manic this past week so I was probably venting a little too much frustration through here, my bad.

Anyways, I agree that Jay's got better shape in his abs than Ronnie does but I just think as a whole Ronnie's midsection was tighter this year. One of the things that bothered me was whenever Jay would hit any front pose like a Front DB or Lat Spread his abs would bulge a little bit (evident at the bottom of his abdomen and also at the lack of detail near the top compared to normal). I'm not saying he exhibited a "pregnant belly" look by any means but it was just a sweet little victory and quite a shock to see Ronnie's waist look smaller than it has in years and Jay's to be the worst he's displayed. I'm definately not saying Jay's waist was bad or I'm happy that he was a bit distended but it was more a "shut them haters up" thing more than it was a "take that, Cutler" thing.
 
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yo lineski i have said it before jay was bloated in 05 im not denying it but thats all it was a little bloat wich can happen to anyone but ronnie looks like someone stuffed a melon down his throat(no disrespect) and its stuck in his midsection he has a true round pregnant lookin stomach. 05 jays midsection was the worst its been but it was equal/better than colemans best midsection in 5 years.so you cant compare jays stomach to ronnies because he does not have a gut problem
 
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You guys bore the **** out of me. No one has beaten Li in such a discussion, and he isn't replying with long posts, which means he isn't he trying and already winning.
 
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Who determines a winner in an opinion driven arguement??? a follower i guess...?

Not a jab at you jorn, but what are you talking about?
It's simply a discussion. Anyway, we all know they both have gut probs, but Ronnies is and will always be worse than jays. Jay has a better midsection when flexed.
 
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You guys bore the **** out of me. No one has beaten Li in such a discussion, and he isn't replying with long posts, which means he isn't he trying and already winning.
yo jornt whats your problem why are you making things serious we are all having fun(i know i am)so why are you trying to pick a winner when theres no award to give out
 
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Who determines a winner in an opinion driven arguement??? a follower i guess...?

Not a jab at you jorn, but what are you talking about?
It's simply a discussion. Anyway, we all know they both have gut probs, but Ronnies is and will always be worse than jays. Jay has a better midsection when flexed.
Well, someone who isn't on a side and has an objective view.

I'm more pro Cutler then pro Ronnie, but it's obvious that Ronnie is the better bodybuilder as Li pointed out.
 
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yo jornt whats your problem why are you making things serious we are all having fun(i know i am)so why are you trying to pick a winner when theres no award to give out
You didn't post cutssssssss outtttttttttt, thank you
 
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You didn't post cutssssssss outtttttttttt, thank you
this is for you then CUTS OUT BABY CUTS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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this is for you then CUTS OUT BABY CUTS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Who can believe how much will Jay be in heaven when he clinchs first of his 5 consecutives Olympias???

CUTS OUT BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

TEAM "check that simmetry, Ron" CUTLER.
 
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Who can believe how much will Jay be in heaven when he clinchs first of his 5 consecutives Olympias???

CUTS OUT BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

TEAM "check that simmetry, Ron" CUTLER.
Do you know what symmetry means? In terms of bodybuilding it means that your left and right sides are identical and there is some small implication that you are at least balanced properly from top to bottom. Jay's left and right biceps are distinctly two different sizes (which pretty much cancels out the entire "Ron's left tricep sucks" arguement), Jay's quads also appeared to be two different sizes at this past year's O, and despite Jay having a pretty tight waist (most of the time) for a larger guy he doesn't the perfectly symmetrical midsection like some other bodybuilders. Yes, that's largely genetic but genetics play an incredible role in BBing that cannot be denied or ignored by the judges.
 
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Do you know what symmetry means? In terms of bodybuilding it means that your left and right sides are identical and there is some small implication that you are at least balanced properly from top to bottom. Jay's left and right biceps are distinctly two different sizes (which pretty much cancels out the entire "Ron's left tricep sucks" arguement), Jay's quads also appeared to be two different sizes at this past year's O, and despite Jay having a pretty tight waist (most of the time) for a larger guy he doesn't the perfectly symmetrical midsection like some other bodybuilders. Yes, that's largely genetic but genetics play an incredible role in BBing that cannot be denied or ignored by the judges.
My friend, I know you'll be 1st in replying. You're fast.

I know what simmetry means, is what Ronnie's lower part of traps doesn't have. I know he had an injury but... is 100 times more noticeable than Jay's bis or quads (here I don´t see bad simmetry at all). Oh, I forgot, please check also Ron's pecs "line"... is that what u call simmetry??? A line should be straight
 
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My friend, I know you'll be 1st in replying. You're fast.

I know what simmetry means, is what Ronnie's lower part of traps doesn't have. I know he had an injury but... is 100 times more noticeable than Jay's bis or quads (here I don´t see bad simmetry at all). Oh, I forgot, please check also Ron's pecs "line"... is that what u call simmetry??? A line should be straight
Well, I don't recall ever saying in my post that Ronnie has perfect symmetry but I was just pointing out that Jay isn't Mr. Symmetry or even close for that matter. I wouldn't be too quick to point out anything involving Ronnie's chest as a weak-point either because it destroys Cutlers and everyone else's in bodybuilding for that matter. Ironically, chest isn't nearly as showy or covetted of a muscle group in as it used to be (on a professional level at least) so Ronnie doesn't really get the credit he deserves for it.

If neither of them are symmetry guys what does that leave us: mass monsters and freaks, lets face it. Being freaks though, they both have incredible shape but since they're playing the same type of strategy Ronnie has a huge advantage because of he obviously wins the mass category and continuously has out-conditioned Jay (with the exception of 2001 where condition was pretty much even, Ronnie had noticable distention problems). I won't go into the shape of each individual muscle group again because I've done it before but judges, especially at the O, look for conditioning and mass before shape and symmetry anyways so I don't really see how the original statement of "check that symmetry, Ron" is even relevant.
 
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I don't really see how the original statement of "check that symmetry, Ron" is even relevant.
Oh yeah, you know what I posted that. Just to read some post from you and to "intimidate" Team Coleman.

I don´t care what IFBB judges look to. I point out what's important for me and what I think BB should be about.
 
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Oh yeah, you know what I posted that. Just to read some post from you and to "intimidate" Team Coleman.

I don´t care what IFBB judges look to. I point out what's important for me and what I think BB should be about.
That's fair because obviously everyone has their opinion of what they prefer from a bodybuilder as do I, but I also realize what technically makes a better bodybuilder from the judges point of view, and competitive record is really the only way we have of measuring how well a BBer fits said criteria. Of course, there are exceptions because judging standards change over the years, which is why you have to be somewhat open-minded in your comparison of bodybuilders of today to even that of 10 years ago. To be honest, I try to keep my own personal bias out of my analyses because when people start putting too much emphasis on personal preference they usually start straying from what can be considered closer to fact.
 
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That's fair because obviously everyone has their opinion of what they prefer from a bodybuilder as do I, but I also realize what technically makes a better bodybuilder from the judges point of view, and competitive record is really the only way we have of measuring how well a BBer fits said criteria. Of course, there are exceptions because judging standards change over the years, which is why you have to be somewhat open-minded in your comparison of bodybuilders of today to even that of 10 years ago. To be honest, I try to keep my own personal bias out of my analyses because when people start putting too much emphasis on personal preference they usually start straying from what can be considered closer to fact.
well it seems that i have found the cure for my sleeping problems,i just read one of good ole lineskis posts and im JUST KIDDING
 
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well it seems that i have found the cure for my sleeping problems,i just read one of good ole lineskis posts and im JUST KIDDING
LOL.

But Linesky is what I call a purist.
 
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Then I'm The Purist (people call me that quite often )...
 
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